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Kicking a dog to death

  • 24-06-2021 9:19pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭


    Dog killed by teenager after being kicked over the head of its owner https://jrnl.ie/5476852

    Warning absolutely...horrible story....just 36 precious convictions...at 19.
    He couldn't sleep remembering the screams of the dog...he killed....FFS ...cry me a river!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,381 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    This is currently before the courts.

    Thread closed


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Some jail time but not long enough...given the horrific violence involved and the long list of past crimes the person who did it had!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    "He has 36 previous convictions and is currently serving a sentence of two years with the final six months suspended for an offence of violent disorder."

    As long as the solicitors get paid sure thats the main thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭SunnySundays


    He's averaging a conviction every 6 weeks or less since he turned 18. Not sure there's much that can be done and he'll likely be in jail for most of his life and rightly so.

    Even if he is let out, you can pretty much guarantee he'll be back before long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    An absolutely horrible story.

    I've no idea how he sleeps at night.




    The defence BL I mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't disagree scary to think how many people will he likely traumatise over the years...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I thought well done to the judge initially reading he handed down a custodial sentence, I was surprised, but that surprise was tempered when I read 36 previous convictions at 19... WTF ???

    A dangerous fûckwit like that needed a hell of a longer stretch then what he got... the force sent the dog over her head... sorry, a year minimum...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,880 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He stole a card....it doesn't give someone the right to literally kick the crap out of someone with a group of his mates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    This is a despicable comment. So in your eyes, the other guy deserved to be beaten to a pulp for being a drug addict and shoplifting a greeting card?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,832 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Why? The job of the barrister is to assist the court in making the correct decision. It is important that whatever scumbag is up in court is given representation so that there can be absolutely no claims that he was given afforded other than completely fair process. Yes, he likely doesn't deserve that, but he has to go through that process before you can absolutely and definitely say so.

    It is not the role of the barrister to be a judge and jury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    What difference does it make what he stole? Would you condone it had he tried to steal a car? Or maybe a toddler, because then the assailant would have been applauded in this forum.

    The accused did not kill the man, so he could not be tried for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭noel50


    5 years would be fair he will kill someone in the future not facing any consequence for his actions 6 months is a joke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    virtually nothing will be done to address his psychological issues, so round and round we go......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    Using prison as a punishment or deterrent doesn't work. These people don't make a calculation when they are committing these crimes. Prison should be used when a person has proved incapable of living in free society without harming others at which point they should be imprisoned until we are convinced that this risk is very low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...or maybe we need to invest significant amounts into our criminals justice system, to try reduce these outcomes, by integrating our other critical institutions and systems together, i.e. health care, education and training systems, etc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    We need to try stop crime from happening; I'd agree with that, hence my point that prison should be a last resort. But when it is used it should be because the offender is a risk to civil society and therefore an indeterminate prison sentence is given until we are convinced they are not a risk to society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    preventing crime from happening probably will never occur, its been with us since the damn of time, we need to be realistic with our goals, but we have learned an astonishing amount about the root causes of criminality over time, we just seem to be unwilling to truly do anything about it.... hence while jail is actually currently required, and probably always will be, to some degree



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭usernamegoes


    I agree that we can't stamp out crime completely, but we can address some of the causes of crime. My main point was that prison should be a last resort and when it is used it should be very very serious sentence; my view it should be indeterminate until a parole board feels you are capable of living in society without harming people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    We need to stop making excuses for the scum of the earth. Some people should be removed from society/the gene pool for the good of the rest of us. Fcuk their rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the only problem with this is, the institutions and systems required to protect all from these more minor criminal acts, dont actually exist, hence our default to prisons, we re not willing to create these, as you can see from this comment.....

    .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Prison costs me, as a tax payer, far too much for this sort of carry-on. This is the sort of person a sentence of hard labour should be handed down to. Repay your debt to society rather than live a carefree life without the worry of paying for your food and board.

    There's far too much focus on preserving the 'human rights' of people like this who are imprisoned. As far as I'm concerned, someone who has repeatedly kicked and punched a man in an unprovoked attack, kicked a pet dog to death and has thirty-odd other convictions recorded has forfeited his 'rights'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Maybe you should be waiting outside the prison when he's released to give him the hugs he needs to be less of a scumbag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and dump ignorant posts such as this one also.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    36 convictions at 19 not surprising really when you read the mothers a junkie and the father who they wont name is a gangland scummer aswell whos up in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I am not sure why you place so much value on them/ us. There is plenty wrong with the society you seem to hold in such high esteem. But sure, euthanasia is always the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Oh I am trying to be polite here, because manners are very important to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭soups05


    at least he got some time inside. 6 months for a dog's life is not much, but on the other hand, two guys attacked me and broke my jaw. totally unprovoked. 3 years of having to pass these guys sneering and making threats in the street and what did they get? suspended sentence. not a single min inside. usual bs in court, broken home, addiction etc. they walked out of court laughing at me. fk this guy, fk the courts system and with all due respect to posters here fk anyone who defends this type of scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Being polite is all well and good, but nobody on here had mentioned euthanasia before you, bizarrely, brought it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Fine, then please be so kind to elaborate how you wish to see this actioned:

    “Some people should be removed from society/the gene pool for the good of the rest of us. Fcuk their rights.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35



    I hate animal cruelty, kicking a little dog like that makes me sick.

    Only positive thing is most of these scumbags die young for one reason or another.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    I have a few questions:

    You say: 'we have learned an astonishing amount about the root causes of criminality over time'

    What is that we have learnt, can you give examples, and can you show how they relate to this case, please.


    Then you say: 'we just seem to be unwilling to truly do anything about it'

    Can you show, with regards to this case, how 'we' were unwilling to do anything?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,381 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @Fandymo leave out the fantasy violence against the convicted person, that's far more detailed than necessary thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭dublincelt


    So he can't really remember what happened but is sure he never told the owner he was going to kill the dog. Only one animal here and it wasn't the dog..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    36 prev. convictions ... enough said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭Feisar


    This is it but we haven't got the stomach for it. it's not about appropriate punishment for a crime committed, at some stage it needs to be about removing the cancer. Either lock him up forever or eradicate the problem.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    His testimony in his defence indicates an ongoing risk to the public.

    He lost his temper and saw no option except to hoof a dog 6 feet in the air? Next time it'll be some randomer on the street getting his head stamped on, or a girlfriend getting thrown around the flat because, "I lost my temper and I don't really know what happened".

    Counsel said his client’s father was shot in Malaga in front of Henney when he was aged 14. He said that his client told a psychologist that the offence was a “horrible thing to do” and that he wants to get help so he does not do anything like that again.

    McGreal said his client’s mother smoked heroin and his client caught her doing so as a child. He said the presence of the injured party was a “triggering factor” and that there was “a heroin taking relationship going on”.

    I have sympathy for him. This guy got a very **** raw deal in life, two sh1tty parents and a childhood of serious trauma that very few have to endure. Ongoing anger and violence issues are absolutely, 100% explainable. Which is why restricting him from the general public indefinitely until a psychologist says he's ready to come back, seems like the most appropriate course of action here.

    It doesn't even necessarily have to be locked up in a cell. After his sentence, stick him in a council flat under house arrest with an ankle bracelet, whatever. Just don't let him out in public until he's learned to deal with his problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Lock him up forever or "eradicate" the problem.

    Some want medieval style justice or something you would get with the Taliban in charge.

    Obviously there are problems with our justice system and there are far too many lenient sentences, but some of the fantasy nonsense here is just ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭Feisar


    See yer going wrong there with the notion of justice, my argument isn't about that. What's done with a rabid dog? Lock it up for a month and let it out again? No, it's put down. Where's the justice in that? People are always complaining about the likes of this lad and there will be reams of how terrible it is etc when he kills someone.

    And here I am with a pretty simple solution. The sheep just don't like violence though.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 hustlenbustle


    This guy certainly got a raw deal from day one _ bad parents and probably not an ounce of discipline while young. They shouldn't have had him! But how many more like hom are there? In homes where there is no parenting whatsoever? They cause a wealth of trouble for others in society. It's awful to think of someone having no hope to change their ways but until this guy changes _ if ever _ he should be locked up. He and others like him would be better off of there was some sort of suitable punishment for youngsters and their parents who are out of control at an early age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,734 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Either lock him away for life or 'eradicate him', deal with him like we would 'a rabid dog' I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ive been informed primarily by mental health professionals, some who have worked within the criminal justice system, here and abroad, that some research has been done on this, and is publicly available. most inmates have been found to have a combination of complex psychological disorders, ranging from developmental disorders, learning disabilities, personality disorders, behavioral problems, various complex psychological and mental health disorders, addiction issues, and beyond.....

    if you educate yourself in such issues, you can start to see elements of these disorders in others, most common amongst criminal classes and the long term unemployed etc

    evidence is ever rising with these issues, yet we have little or no will to truly do much, if anything about them, theres simply not enough investment going on, to try tackle them. i interact myself regularly with disability services, as i have been diagnosed with autism and dyslexia. ive been interacting with mental health services, both public and private, and its disturbing to see how under funded they are, no wonder our mental health issues are rapidly rising, and we dont have the services to deal with them, they simply dont exist.

    rising inequality issues have also been linked to rising criminal activities, other chosen policies such as austerity have also been linked, the list goes on and on and on......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Can't argue with any of that and certainly some criminal activity can be linked to (but not excused by) certain disorders and learning disabilities. Some of these criminals may also stand a chance of being 'rehabilitated'.

    However, it must also be recognised that some people completely lack empathy towards other living beings, human or otherwise, and some people are just pure evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    “However, it must also be recognised that some people completely lack empathy towards other living beings, human or otherwise, and some people are just pure evil.”

    The definition of “pure evil” is subjective though, and you will never get a consensus what defines this.

    As to empathy: there is too much emphasis put on this. It does not matter whether or not someone can emphasise with others. Even someone who lacks empathy knows right from wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,732 ✭✭✭weisses


    Lads ... The earth is already overcrowded

    People who are capable of doing this should go through the same treatment as they used themselves.


    I'm thinking of volunteering ... I have the proper boots anyway



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