Should we in Ireland be concerned about Jihad?

OK, here's an example of the Saudi Arabian attitude to women's rights campaigners... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-seeks-unprecedented-death-penalty-woman-activist-n902771

Some footage of the Islamic religious police at work in Saudi Arabia... (you'll need to confirm your age on youtube for this one)..... https://youtu.be/w_wBDdthYN4

13 countries where being gay is punishable by death (shhh, they're all Muslim countries)... https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-where-being-gay-is-legally-punishable-by-death/39574685/

A handy map taken from Wikipedia showing where homosexuality is illegal and what the consequences are for being gay. Most Islamic countries will only put you in prison for being gay(phew) but some will kill you for it. The Taliban during their previous period ruling Afghanistan used to put gay people into pits and drop large stones on them to kill them,anyway here's the map...

Looking forward to your reply.

I said that you weren't budging on answering the question of what your opinion was on the treatment of women and the LGBTQ community within the Islamic belief system.

The purest representation of how that is played out occurs in Saudi Arabia. Muslims in Ireland cannot punish women or LGBTQ people as Sharia law would dictate in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia because they are living in this country abiding by our legal system. Although if we look at the UK there have been groups advocating for the introduction of Sharia Law in that jurisdiction.

Ultimately Robbie, I think you know full well that the treatment of women and the LGBTQ community within Islam is a disgrace.

You are tying yourself up in knots to avoid addressing that fact for some unknown reason.

Maybe you think I'm raising these issues because you think I'm prejudiced against Muslims or that I'm using it as a smokescreen for some racist views you feel I hold. None of which could be further from the truth.

I don't want to discriminate against anyone's belief system nor will I ever have problem with people based on their ethnicity or nationality. What I do take issue with is seeing people being persecuted for any reason, in this case it's their gender or sexual orientation, that isn't good enough.

I gave you evidence Robbie, nothing is good enough for you. In the end you're not engaging here in good faith, you have had all your requests adhered to and you're still not happy. That's your problem.

I'll pose the question in a slightly different way... Removing the connection to Islam...

Do you, RobbieTheRobber believe that women and LGBTQ people deserve to be treated as second class citizens in any setting?

I have addressed the issues of Jihad terrorism on this thread. The discussion I'm engaged in with you is relevant to the attitudes that result in those attacks as it gives an understanding of the mindset of radical Islam.

I never compared Ireland to Saudi Arabia. So if your argument is based on that assumption you're miles off the mark.

Again, we're discussing the attitudes towards women and LGBTQ people within the Islamic faith, Saudi is the de facto centre of the Muslim world so it's relevant to this topic.

I don't need to have posted at length over the years about other issues to satisfy your requirements to post on this topic.

For the record I'm against all discrimination. Any attacks on anyone offend me.

If you think I'm prejudice against Muslims or I'm discriminating against them, prove it. And please show me what my "agenda" is while you're at it. I'm assuming you have iron clad proof that I have an agenda so post it here for all to see please.

And for the sake of clarity, do you think that the treatment of women and the LGBTQ community within the Islamic belief system is OK?

No they do not.

Can you answer the same question please? I did put that question to you first.

I'm against anyone discriminating against anyone in any setting. We are talking about jihad and by extension Islam here.

Again, tell me clearly what my agenda is please.

Then explain it clearly.

I ask, because I don't have an agenda.

You are just attempting to goad me into an angry response.

So again, tell me, and everyone else what my agenda is. Please.

In the opening pages of this thread Timberrrrrrrr was suggesting that Islam should not be judged too harshly in light of the fact that other religions have committed various atrocities throughout history.

I called this out as being a cop out, based on the logic that two wrongs don't make a right.

RobbieTheRobber decided to defend the position Timberrrrrrrr took, and erroneously stated that the point had not been made on the thread.

I cited the fact that there are "unfortunate" practices relating to the treatment of women and the LGBTQ community within Islam, RobbieTheRobber would not address that point and began to become abusive towards me.

How Saudi Arabia became part of the discussion is based upon the fact that the modern interpretation of Jihad as we know it in the post 9/11 world has been solely disseminated from Wahhabism which originates in Saudi Arabia.

If we were to suffer a Jihadi terrorist attack in Ireland the ideology that lead to such an event could be traced directly back to Saudi Arabia, which is a strictly Islamic country with a litany of human rights abuses to its name.

I did labor this point, but only in response to the abusive responses I received from other posters.

I think we can all agree that treating anyone in any way differently because of their gender or sexual orientation is abhorrent, however some people will not call it out when it's associated with Islam because they see Muslims as a minority group who must be protected from scrutiny.

To clarify, scrutinizing certain behaviors in Saudi Arabia is not the same as being prejudiced against Muslim people as a whole. I do not for one second believe all Muslims agree on anything as a group particularly this issue, but the fact remains that these practices occur and they are wrong on every level.

I feel that I was being characterised as being prejudiced against Muslims. That's not true and I resent the accusation that I am.

Surely we can be nuanced enough in our views to make the distinction between criticism of one aspect of Islamic belief and pure hatred of all Muslims?

For example, do we honestly believe that if someone is critical of the state Israel for their treatment of the Palestinian people that they are by default Antisemitic?

The problem with your interpretation of my criticism of Saudi Arabia and by extension my criticism of Islam is the fact that whilst you are fine with criticism of Saudi Arabia's human rights violations (I'm assuming that you meant that) you are ignoring the fact that those very human rights violations are themselves informed by Islamic doctrine.

You are appropriating my criticism of Islam as hatred of Muslims which is not the case.

I am critical of the catholic church but that doesn't translate into hatred of all catholics.

There is a yawning chasm of distinction that you seem intent on ignoring, not to mention the fact that you are burdening me with the weight of assumed bigotry which I have consistently denied and offered detailed explanations above and beyond what could be considered reasonable.

I have provided you with evidence of what I have been speaking about as requested, explained my point of view in detail and you haven't even been willing to answer one simple question.

You're position as I see it is to undermine anything I say by associating it and by extension me with bigotry, intolerance and hatred which is a stance which is demonstrably ridiculous.