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Grazing 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Yea we used it in our sucklers too, it was never too bad, the magnesium pump was enough even in wet weather, we used to have to add iodine to the magnesium as well. the pump is a great job. We used to get a lot of chills in the calve until we put the iodine through the pump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    The one we use contains se, i, zn, cu, co and mag. So hopefully well covered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Was it the dispenser in a gallon jar in the water trough you used?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    No, a pump on the water pipe, it'd suck a certain amount of the flomag for every 100gals water that went through the pipe, the flomag intake was adjustable, you could turn it up in wet weather, but I never need ed to

    https://www.dosatronusa.com/



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Used same system here never adjusted pump. Never a problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Heifers in, cows in today and tonight prob tomorrow as well, some amount of rain falling since 4 this morning. I think someone measuring nearby had it over 50mm so far and still at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Did you get them in dry or did they come in wet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Wet, cows have to walk out to the parlour anyway and take so long to walk down they'd be wet any wet day. Have never had any problems in the shed really touch wood.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Great day here today. Sun shining and a bit of a breeze. Getting ready for another move tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I have plenty grass at the moment and ground conditions are still very good,hope to leave them out till the end of November

    My grass is gone a bit strong if this is not grazed down tight will this effect quality next spring? They are happy away on it and grazing it well so far so hopefully they will skin it,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy



    It will effect it, the butt will rot, it'll be course and strong and they'll be reluctant to eat it. You'll end up having to force them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have about ten acres like that this year. I am strip grazing most of it. Something I am not mad about but I am getting good clean outs so farm. Grass will be a week to ten days later next spring but quality will be ok. As well as I graze silage paddocks in the spring it will sort any issue. There may be 1-2 acres of the ten there is an issue with but most will be ok.

    Correct pH is helpful as well.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    This was reseeded three years ago and when the cattle were took off this late August I topped it so a nice fresh award would grow back so hopefully this should help,but I wasn’t exspecting growth like this

    would it have to very strong to cause this problem? Can’t strip graze and I don’t want to leave it behind me before the cattle are housed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    How would correct ph sort this problem? If possible would you mind uploading a photo of what you are grazing?

    would type of weight gain would you be exspecting on good grass this time of year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Good pH will help the butt decay as well butt would be slightly sweeter. A run of a chain harrow will help as well next Spring. Nearly all the really heavy stuff is grazed out now, moving into the last few paddocks with slightly lighter covers but will try for photos

    Not overly worried about weight gain as it is mostly stores but would to expect definitely 5-600 grams/day

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Why cant you strip graze, is ground condititions not good enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Should you top any paddocks that are too strong now or would you be best waiting until spring to sort them out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler



    The problem I'm having is that thegrass is lying down and rotting the butt, if it's not grazed soon it'll all rot.

    Land is too wet here to drive on. topping not an option

    Getting it well grazed out with sheep but not a pretty sight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    It’s a very big field and it would be very awkward, it’s the only field I can’t strip graze,I had a similar problem last year and it seemed ok in the spring and they skinned it in the spring just worried about quality in the spring time, they are happy in it so it might be ok k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    We've only a couple of sheep here, not enough to graze down tightly. The grass growth is unreal, but the ground just can't carry them. With the dark nights coming in now I think our cattle will be heading in next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    You close up very early e ven for a normal year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Cattle are usually in early - mid October here. Last year we had some out wandering about until mid December, but the bulk of them were in. We've another few fields around the sheds we could move them to, but depending on the weather we might risk them on it for a few days until we can get them in dry.

    We are lightly stocked this year so we have sufficient buffer of silage and slurry storage. We all work off the farm here, so although we'd prefer them out, it is handy at this time of year to have them in. This year is has been a bit of an outlier in terms of grass growth late in the season so we have a couple of fields still having strong grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,642 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Heavy rain forced two paddocks closed here for the year that would love to have grazed again, heavy damp ground.

    have about two weeks grazing if ground conditions don’t go too bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Rain here has forced housed over half the stock. Put them in yesterday ahead of last night's rain. Like Brian I have 3 paddocks I would like to graze but ground conditions are very tricky. Hard to see much drying from now on but will graze out with calves. I'm in a high rainfall area that gets between 1100- 1200mm annually. Well behind this year, so I think we will have a good bit of rain to fall over the winter

    Just left with bucket fed calves and store heifers out.

    Probably will have the heifers housed this coming week. Calves will be probably housed in 10-14 days. They are getting hay out at the moment with their bit of meal. Pull out 5 of the lighter ones and housed them yesterday.

    Has been a good year overall for grass, but a bit tricky managing for past 2 months, in a good way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Who2


    80% housed here. I’ve a batch of replacements still out and they’ll be left out until Christmas a few light weanlings and a batch of finishing cows that have access to a yard for feeding. It’s comfort more so than wandering around ditches looking for off form animals in the dark. I’ve never had as much grass at this time of year . I’ve 9 acres at the back of one of the sheds kept to creep calves out to in early spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    Photos above sorry about the finger I'm the way never looked at them until now.

    Graze out is poor here at present. Only 12 in the bunch and hard to limit area at start of the paddock. I have had heavier covers than this but have got better graze out on them. This is a slightly heavy paddock as you get further into it.

    Last of the photos are if a paddock grazed out about two weeks ago. It was not as heavy as the present one.. It's s paddock that is usually closed for silage. Will be grazed in late March.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    3rd and 4th photos are the next field I am going to graze next,1st 2nd and last photo is the field they are currently grazing,this field was similar to the one that they are going in to next, they are in this field a week now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Jezzz lads stop depressing me there with your nice photos, my final photo would be pure mud and slop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    You have great grass yourself, are you happy with how they are grazing it? All I am worried about is that quality isn’t reduced in the spring if I don’t graze it tight,I uploaded photos there now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Believe me it’s not always like this! It’s just an exceptional year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Still too mild to be housing cattle. The second half of the week is promised dry and by next weekend temperatures are back on the rise to the early teens.

    Fields I mob grazed a month ago have a new cover of grass on the again with all the growth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Yeah after today it’s meant to pick up again for the week,if the weather comes anyway right I should get all of November out hopefully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭893bet


    Pretty much all gone in today bar the weanlings. Grass mostly gone and ground conditions gone to pot.


    Ye are blessed with land like that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Do not regraze it you will need that field in March for grazing. I start closing about October 7th I will have 50% of the farm closed by middle of the week. I will concentrate on getting getting some lighter covers grazed out to up closed area.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    I don't like leaving a cover of grass on fields I'll be closing for silage. I find the frost over the winter makes for a lot of rotten tips and grass through the silage. If you get a hard frost then it goes pure brown and needs to be grazed off before closing for silage.

    I think all this regrowth is down to the monsoon like weather we are having now, wet and mild. The wetter and milder it gets the more the grass grows. The other side of it is the feed value, I've put mag buckets out now, some of the calves are still a bit away from weaning but seem to be sucking a lot more in this weathere. I think some of the grass is nothing more than green water so I'm afraid of tetany or grass staggers



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Often the frost takes that grass before it's fed . I know that's not teagasc advice but if the ground is holding up ok I let's the cattle eat it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It dose not. The grass changes from being 10-12%DM with water on it to being 25%+DM. It loses its soft green look but the feeding value increases.

    Brown tips are 70%+DM, I never have a problem getting cattle to graze down such covers.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    All in this morning, they would have drowned standing up this afternoon, exceptional driving rain. Will try them out again if weather is any way reasonable.


    Small prataies left in the ridge are a few inches above ground now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Cracking weather this morning. Hard to believe it's the first week of November, temperatures in the low teens still. I moved cattle back into silage ground that was mob grazed over a month ago. Unreal growth in 4 weeks that I couldn't leave like that for the winter.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Your land looks to be dry land. While fields closed a month ago ( before the 7th October are too early to close everything from that on should not be regrazed. Normally I use 7th October but this year I am going back to Oct1st. Heavy covers grazed over the last 2-3 weeks will be slow to recover over the winter.

    You have land capable of being grazed in late February if it is anyway dry. I have been tempted to leave covers like that. I definitely would leave all covers after 7th October especially with the way fertilizer is going to be in price

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    I know what you are saying, my system I tend to calve all the cows from the 1st of March onwards so they'll be in sheds for the month of March regardless of the weather, and they'll be in a month before calving too. The system works for me as I can start letting cows and calf out 10 days after calving.

    I have a share of dry land but also some higher up land which I have cattle still out on.

    I had issues before with ground conditions in the past and it was down to being overstocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I got milking cows yesterday for a few hours just about in one of my drier paddocks ,no damage so might chance 4 hours grazing today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Sheep are on land here that was grazed six weeks ago. it has lay down and rotting from the bottom, It'd be some mess if left another two mths, previous paddock has recovered well already and will be grazed again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Weather has taken an upturn here too. Looks like we might get another week at least out of it. The ground is holding the water though so getting it ate down clean is a problem. Might keep out some of the lighter cattle for longer.

    At what stage should you take them off the ground for the winter so as not to screw yourself in the spring? Our cattle start going out in April.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    We’d close off from October with cattle and let ewes clean off, no damage and lovely fresh grass in spring



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Sheep are a great job for cleaning the ground over the winter. Unfortunately it's not an option for me as there are too many household dogs in the area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    We don't have sufficient sheep to manage the excess grass. Might have to offer a field to someone, but would it need to be cleaned down by a certain date?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    If you were going by the book it needs a hundred days , but if you're lowly stocked it won't make much difference if you don't rest a percentage of your land long enough.

    If you let someone in make sure to tell them they have to strip it when you say,

    Have you huch available, land for sheep grazing is worth €1/week per ewe.

    Donedeal usually ahve lots looking for sheep grazing

    https://www.donedeal.ie/farming?words=sheep%20grazing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Thanks. It's only a couple of paddocks so if we can't get the cattle onto them we'll see about offering to a relation who we call on for help or a loan of stuff from time to time. Not enough to think about the financials.

    In saying that the sun is out and it is another lovely day here - majority could still be out until middle of month if the long range forecast is correct. Middle of month looks to be getting prolonged days of rain which could spell the end. It's been a remarkable end to the year for grass growth.



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