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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    It doesn't disprove it at all IMO.

    Your saying he wasn't sneaking in? Then the school had a policy that increased risk and hushed it up when there was the board meeting despite knowing it facilitated the rape of a juvenile. That's worse isn't it?

    The fact is that 14 year olds shouldn't be having sexual relations in a school bathroom anyway and the further information reveals that if anything adds more reasons not to work on a self Id route.


    This is about the avenues for attack it opens on the democrats and a way of motivating independent voters. Witness manic Moran's post previously too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did you see my request where I asked you to quote a sentence of two from the executive order that you disagree with?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    there is absolutely no connection to Biden’s executive order.


    Dresses don’t rape people, rapists do.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon



    How so? It presumably signalled to the school that they should implement a self Id policy to the school's bathrooms which Defacto may have been case and they were trying to make it official when this whole controversy started compared to Trumps order which restricted it too by sex right?


    Even if you disagree with the executive order point this is still to do with the Biden administration as the controversy also hinges on the Parents Vs School Boards and Garlands directives to the FBI and language referencing domestic Terrorism.

    Anyway in other news the billionaire tax seems to be gone, personally do think something needs tackled but apparently unworkable



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Dunno where you're getting your news from but the taxation on the super rich is still in the process




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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    You want me to prove a negative? I can’t. No one can.


    You’re making a completely spurious connection between an isolated incident and an executive order that is morally correct

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've asked you three questions. Two questions here

    and one question here

    Is there any reason you are not answering these questions, considering I went to the effort of engaging with you when you first brought this up? Should I be right in assuming that it's because you can't answer my questions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    "Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports"


    I think children in particular teenagers being forced to share changing rooms and bathrooms with persons bodied of the opposite gender is a recipe for disaster. Particularly in the case of a situation where the system functions on self-id, with a massive funding given for safeguarding and vetting my view might change, as we can see from this case this hasn't occurred.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thank you. Would you kindly answer the first two questions also? I will write a response to the above in the meantime.

    Edit: This is my response, and it involves additional questions. I would kindly ask that you respond to my two questions above first before responding to this.

    What is your opinion as to what bathroom transgender folk should use? A third bathroom? A third and fourth bathroom? Their pre-op gender bathroom? Their post-op gender bathroom?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭Christy42


    No idea why it relates to Biden but the attack does show the need for much more stringent rules around sexual assault. This isn't a US specific issue but much better protections for those who are attacked need to be put in place. We also need to show that victims can be given justice in the courts. The focus on the dress seems ridiculous given rapists wear many different items of clothing.


    This is something Republicans have traditionally been light handed with. One of their big hitters in Gaetz seems likely to have issues in the near future due to trafficking teens. I know Abbott did promise to get rid of rapists in Texas but I don't think he has done anything about it as it was largely part of a weak defense of his bounty on women rules as opposed to actually wanting to get rid of rapists.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon




  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭maik3n


    I believe the connection to Biden is simply that he supports more liberal bathroom laws and the introduction of such by various school boards around the country.

    The right have latched onto this issue as their current boogeyman. They have been screeching for ages that said laws would embolden bad actors to don a dress pretending to be trans, enter ladies bathrooms and assault someone. This Loudoun case was their smoking gun

    However, as the 2 articles highlighted earlier show, it was all bullsh*t. The fact that the Loudoun perpetrator wore a dress or may or not be trans/non-binary/gender fluid etc is completely irrelevant and has no bearing on the liberal bathroom laws issue.

    As you mentioned yourself, the issue here is definitely more around sexual assault and how schools deal with such crimes and how they deal with the victim and perpetrators. I think we can probably all agree that the Loudoun county school and school board dealt with things badly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon



    Ok firstly I will say that my personal views on this don't matter and are irrelevant as a non US voter and this is legimately of topic and out in the real world I respect adult people's gender identity, this is about children and schools

    However as a Anglosphere country though American culture wars do impact Ireland in the real world- see the George N,chenko? aftermath for example.

    What matters is that at least a surface level attack point is exposed by this incident that can be linked to Biden and by the schools response particularly in light of the FBI memo and the Virginia governors comments.

    Honestly the transgender question is a mess with no easy answers. Some people are likely to be harmed whatever path is chosen, trans people face a lot of issues however when it comes to younger teenagers and children I think we should tread very carefully.

    Will attempt to answer though.

    1- Obviously desegregation was a good idea, however the analogy is flawed, these are not simply cultural constructs for the vast majority of people, the minority group using desegregated facilities were the main victims presumably of violence, in this case in relation to male bodied Persons entering Gender restricted areas this is unlikely to be the case, available research points too MtoF persons retaining a male pattern of offending. FtoM is not controversial for a reason- research points to transmen retaining a pattern of offending that's more similar to cis-females, FtoM persons accessing Male facilities does not increase risk. Note as well this data is for people that did not come through a self-id process which would have acted as a filter for bad actors.*

    https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

    2- It's likely that the student wouldn't have been able to repeatedly access the girls bathroom and escalated their behaviour if the previous rules were in place. The "consensual" encounters wouldn't have occured either, using air quotes there as most people would reasonably believe children that age can't consent even if they want too. Under Obama's ruling how did it apply to juveniles and was self-id in place at that stage (I presume they weren't as school boards are only voting these measures through now?). This is why the dress thing/ unchallenged self-id matters even though people try and dismiss it. A male pattern offender had unchallenged access to private female spaces- I say male pattern as it's not concluded yet but the other assault is something that seems typically male too.

    * In a situation where this is the case and you operate on a non-restricted basis for identification, why have any gender restrictions at all? Why not let any one access any facility?



    Too bounce it back to the posters asking questions. What do you think of the treatment of the Father? What do you think this case says in relation to Parents and School boards particular in light of the FBI memo and the idea that parents should not have an involvement in school policies?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unisex toilets are pretty common across Europe. On top of that, rapes have happened plenty of times in gender specific toilets. And honestly, you mention how US specific stuff has filtered over to Ireland and it has but this includes how republican politicians and the right have gone on the offensive whenever issues like consent get raised. Republicans have actively fought to not teach students about consent...



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,853 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I didn’t see it live but am I right in saying that the Dems have managed to get close to passing their legislation ? Now it’s not over the line but the way I’ve taken it from reading about what happened earlier is that they’ve got an actual framework(unlike what chuck schumer said) and there’s an actual timeline to getting this done. So the democrats might actually get a win despite their best efforts in both the house and the senate to balls it up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    It seems like it , 1.75 trillion is what I read earlier. Here's release.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/28/build-back-better-framework/



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    What countries in Europe have you visited that had unisex toilets?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ireland, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Denmark and the UK.


    There are unisex toilets everywhere, they just aren’t as common.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Didnt ask you.

    but out of interest, I never saw a unisex toilet in Ireland, The Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Spain, or the UK, except on transport like trains. Where and when did you see them?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ya, Disneyland Paris even has unisex toilets...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Can confirm unisex toilets in France, Germany and Italy. I've seen them in America too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,853 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Seems like there’s a few stumbling blocks still left for the dems in getting that legislation passed. I know joe manchin isn’t happy but what in the name of barbar the elephant is Kirsten Sinema actually up to ? She and her spokespeople have come up with notable quotes like “I’m in the senate”, “I’m literally in front of an elevator”, and my personal favourite one was her spokesperson enlightening us all the “phones work everywhere” which make it sound like they are less involved in policy making and instead doing some weird version of the game show catchphrase.

    while I don’t think the progressives have handled this well either due to their mistake of putting out a number first instead of a list of things they wanted in the bill and then see what the number came to, the two senators will I think shoulder the majority of the blame for this if it fails due to just bizarre behaviour. **** or get off the pot etc.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub



    I have a particular memory of a large Pub in central Dublin 25+ years ago with Unisex/Communal toilets - You walked in and there was a common sink/wash up area turn left for cubicles and right for urinals with only a chest high dividing wall between them with sinks either side.

    Can't remember the name of the pub for the life of me though.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    So you have seen unisex toilets in those countries then…



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    McSorley's Old Ale House in NYC (open in 1854) only had 1 bathroom until 1986. https://mcsorleysoldalehouse.nyc/history/


    Does that count? Guys would stand outside when women went to use it.

    FFS. "Where have you seen Unisex bathrooms." What a discussion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    It is all part of the "socialist" left's war on "traditional american values" tm.

    They are coming for your guns, for your burgers, for your gas guzzling cars. They are waging war on the "normal" families, where women should be barefoot and pregnant, no abortions, there's no parental leave for men and men should be "proper men".



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Meanwhile those states that have voted Republican religiously for the last 50+ years remain as poor then as they were back then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    There's a big difference between a communal toilet area with multiple stalls, urinals, sinks etc and a single occupant jacks

    Bit weird that you needed that to be pointed out to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Bit weird that it needs to be pointed out that a communal toilet that's used by both sexes is a unisex toilet

    Post edited by duploelabs on


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