Acceptable Covid death rates

It’s not true to say that the target is no deaths - the health system has finite funding, there is always, and always has been a level of acceptable death.Access to new drug therapies, and age limits on procedures are two that immediately come to mind.

Looking at Covid in isolation is not helpful - doing everything possible to stop every single death from Covid causes effects which will cost other lives. I hope you used the word ‘eliminate’ by mistake, because that boat is long gone.

No accident using the word eliminate. Ever hear of smallpox? You know what caused it? A virus.

both work well.

actually restricting numbers isn't an infringement seeing as every venue only has a certain capacity anyway which is ultimately a restriction, and i believe that restriction can be enforced by law if it is found that a venue is over it.

with respect theatres, pubs, clubs etc, while they do contribute to the economy, don't make a massive contribution to it.

certainly their contribution is very welcome, but as we have saw the economy has ran fine without them showing us that their contribution is massively over stated.

it is the tech companies, big pharma, and a couple of other industries which keep this country afloat, if we had closed them down but kept restaurants and similar open, then we would be in a very bad economic situation.

he has done everything he can, as have most to be fair, it's a small minority who have been trying to ruin it for the rest of us through out.

the truth is in reality, you actually don't understand what trade offs in public health actually mean, they don't mean what you want them to mean, as in come down on your debunked side of the debate.

actually we do take all measures to limit the spread of all sorts of viruses, the reality is that those viruses don't spread at a ridiculous level and have vaccines for years if decades, so don't require any sort of restrictions on movement, and hopefully the same should happen with covid 19.

we have been balancing the restrictions with all else through out, again it was and is a small minority trying to ruin everything for the rest of us in the aim of trying to implement whatever nonsense agenda they are at, the cold hard reality is nothing is going to be balanced to your specific wants because even with a highly vaccinated country and population your wants arenn't of the necessary good.

No, it means it's possible and there are many scientists who will spend their whole lives, if they don't find a way, trying to eliminate it. I'd guess more than for any other virus in history. There's a great chance they find a way.

both drug therapy and age limits on procedures aren't comparable as they aren't specifically about an acceptable level of death per se, but about effectiveness vs risk and cost and giving potentially false hope to a patient.

I would take issue with these paragraphs. What is your definition of trade offs in public health. As someone said above, public health by its very definition involves making trade offs!

Secondly, we clearly don't take all measures to limit the spread of all sorts of viruses. For example, we have tolerated flu deaths for years with no restrictions even though we have vaccines. Look at the social distancing measures which we have deployed to eliminate Covid - those measures have largely eliminated the prevalence of the flu over the last 18 months.

I'm confident that with all the great minds working on this virus that we'll find a way to eliminate it.

But flu spreads, that's just undeniable. I think the point is, is that our health service has the capacity to cope with a certain number of flu patients per winter, some of whom die, with no restrictions in society. We have tolerated this level of deaths heretofore, call it acceptable or not. With Covid, the health service is overstretched to the point of collapse; hence the need for extra measures such as social distancing measures.

Have you links to all these scientists that say it can never be eliminated?

One of the reasons smallpox was eliminated was because apparently it could only replicate/survive in humans. The challenge with most other diseases is that they don't just infect humans but other animals. So even if you do eliminate it momentarily in humans it can just reinfect humans from other creatures that are suffering from Covid. Which is where Covid came from in the first place.

Eliminating viruses/diseases is very difficult. Smallpox is unique(Polio is nearly there) in that it's been the only virus ever successfully eliminated. Even at that it took a concerted campaign decades to do so. It's a bad example of a strategy to bring up.