Climate Bolloxolgy.

Is it not just another new "industry" filled with Del Boy salesmen whose main interest ,ambition and purpose in life is to make a few bob ?

Not that there is anything wrong with turning a profit but at least admit it .

No, for every tonne of emissions you have to buy a further allowance. You buy more every year. Fewer are given out every year.

The member states get the revenue.

What sort of capacity will 250 shipping container sized batteries planned for here beside me now

It's regurgitated rubbish from a paper that can't lie flat.

Ireland has the second most pristine rivers in Europe. Latest EPA reports have shown improvements. The spend by farmers, and the improvements have been enormous, and continue.

The Courtmacsherry pollution is touted over and over avoids the admission that Timoleage, Courtmacsherry and surrounding serviced housing has been pumping completly untreated raw sewage into that harbour with the last 200 years.

Its a typical bullshit article, the type touted by the unreasonable to piss on a debate and add nothing to its substance

A lack of investment in managing sewage is part of the story: half of urban wastewater treatment plants don’t meet minimum EU standards, while raw sewage from 77,000 people across Ireland flows into the environment every day. Nutrient runoff from sitka spruce plantations also has a negative impact.

But it's the cows....🤕🤕

The human population along the Blackwater has risen by 160% in the last 25 years...sewage treatment plant are totally inadequate and I can take you to towns that have NO treatment, and flow direct to the river.

General population won't buy into these restrictions........ well 90% won't anyway. we've an area on the village by pass at the side of the farm where the general public have a dump and empty the litter out of their car, before they go on to the motorway. County Councl took 20mtrs too much off me along the side of the road for trees etc, perfect secluded place for illegal dumping etc

Fair question, and the answer isn't exactly that, but not a billion miles away.

I'd boil it down to two things. Firstly, that the current value of agriculture is significantly overvalued. That's what I've said here:

That does mean the cost of change (for Ireland) is much less than its presented - and comparisons to the FDI sector, which actually pays the bills, is pointless.

Moving on to the second point, I'm not particularly beating an environmental drum (but not denying those concerns either). There's other reasons why farmers are and should be thinking of changing their products; profits are not there, Brexit won't improve matters and tastes are changing. Would you go on producing pigmeat as your customers all convert to Islam, spouting fire and brimstone about the Quran being a fairy tale?

So, indeed, I'd suggest the sector should be more open to change than its presenting. And, no, I wouldn't rush to subsidising that change, as it should be a natural outcome.

And if anyone wants to repeat the line of "you know nothing, Ireland can only efficient produce grass for livestock", can I point you in the direction of others claiming farming knowledge who do allow that there's no technical reason preventing more veg being produced here.

So folk can tell them they are D4 Avocado-importing Heineken drinking Greens. Maybe then the penny will start to drop.

Guardian readers turn a blind eye to the most blatant pollution there is in the land as it would get in the way of their desire to pack all them towns and villages with even more houses, even more migrants if proper sewage treatment had to be in place. I do not understand how it isn't a huge deal, I haven't met a person from any part of the country than has said it's any different in their area. Shocking levels of corruption going on to keep it off the news as much as they do.

according to ciaran fitzgerald , irish agriculture supports 260000 jobs and generates a spend of 16 billion in the Irish economy and exports of 13 billion. all multinationals combined generate 27 billion spend. pretty major part of economy to mess up in my opinion.

another issue is that the EPA is unfairly classifying all pollution in rivers in rural areas as "agricultural" they are not able to distinguish between village sewage plants, septic tanks and agricultural pollution. So they have areas classified as agricultural, urban and industrial. Because of our one off housing in the country all their waste gets classified as "agricultural".

What's more surprising is how people react to any form of discussion as being dictated to by the Gestapo. All I've really pointed out is farmers themselves (in another context on this forum) are talking about reducing livestock numbers. And that's what the Gestapo did, apparently.

This is happening already for the ETS sector. When you buy electricity, cement or any industrial product made in the EU you are paying this charge indirectly.

it’s not really a tax because the generator/factory is buying a scarce resource. It certainly is a measure that results in revenue.

the euronews article explains the plan to expand this approach to heating and transport.

he whole point of what I was saying is that data centres are paying their way in CO2 emissions and closing data centres in Ireland will make no difference to overall EU industrial emissions.

I don't agree with you. you are using fake news to dispel what I'm after saying. every 2nd business in rural Ireland is dependent on agricultural activities. I live there so I know. be back later when I have time