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Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Two stalls kind of defeats the main selling point of the supercharger network to me, that you can just turn up and expect there to be a working stall available. Are there plans to add more or is that going to be it? Imagine what that charger would be like if the network was opened up too...

    Post edited by Royale with Cheese on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭markpb


    Maybe Tesla have estimated the demand in the area and decided that 2 is enough. Or maybe they’ve decided that the travel patterns in Ireland are more suited to more, smaller locations instead of fewer, larger locations? Who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Are there any other superchargers with only 2 stalls in Europe?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Yeah, good few in UK anyhow but they are all legacy first SuC installs from around 2015



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    …but at least the two Tralee stalls are 150kW, this is faster than all the other SuC in Ireland (apart from the brand spanking new V3s in Cork 250kW)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Fek, just had a bad thought, I really hope they don't use V2 for all the upcoming installs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Meh….. still will be head and shoulders above what eCars offers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Do all Tesla's charge at roughly the same rate on the SuC (assuming pre-conditioning and same SoC)?

    Could you have a situation where a 'slower' Tesla could be hogging the charger while a 'faster' Tesla waits?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    No, Yes

    Older Model S and X charge a lot slower than Model 3's. There's no hogging at SuC, I've never seen a Tesla parked at a SuC not charging, Tesla overstay fees are penal.

    This will only be an issue in non V3 SuC i.e. all currently in Ireland apart from Cork. Pre V3 stalls are clearly labelled with A and B so if a car is charging in either 1A or 1B then charge at whatever number is free e.g. 3A and 3B unused, to avoid load sharing.

    This is not as much an issue as it sounds as most Tesla SuC sessions are quite short so cars come and go very quickly e.g. when I was coming home from Cork I got 15% SOC in 15minutes which was enough to get me to Ballacolla where in turn I only stayed for 20minutes as that was enough to get me home. This is the benefit of the SuC network, you don't need to charge up to make your end destination, you only need to charge up to make the next SuC, I regularly arrive at a SuC in single digit SOC and do so with zero anxiety as the network is so dependable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    From looking at the planning, both Galway and Enfield are V3, as is the Dublin SC

    They only used v2 here as v3 requires a minimum of 4 stalls and they were only putting 2.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Good overview of SuC


    "...even those cars with free Supercharging for life can’t access this benefit if they’re being used as business vehicles, which often clock up larger mileages. For example, a private hire firm based around Gatwick Airport racked up more than 900,000 miles over three years with its trio of Model S cabs."


    really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Article states 2 cars can be plugged into the same unit (V2’s with 2 cables), which is untrue….. as the design of the SuC sites, and the cable length, means only 1 car can access any charge point at any time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭markpb


    900,000 miles in three years for three cars is 100,000 miles per car, per year. High but not unbelievable for a taxi based at an airport which is a a long way from a big city. Also one which is presumably shared between several drivers so it’s on the road close to 24/7.

    There’s a regional taxi company in SoCal that recently sold a 4 year old Model X with 400,000 miles on the clock: https://jalopnik.com/this-tesla-model-x-has-driven-over-400-000-miles-here-1841761190



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Bumped into Tesla Ranger today, Tralee was a V2 install due to lack of local ESB power to supply a 4 stall V3 setup, also Enfield most likely next one to open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    That's a pretty lame excuse. He said basically, the site wasn't suitable.

    Why didn't they find a more suitable site then, with adequate grid capacity?

    It was obviously to save costs while utilising now obsolete chargers. Nothing wrong with that & 2x V2s are better than none. It's quite likely the 2x V2s will be adequate there, especially for 8 months of the year anyway.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    As you said, pretty lame location and better than nothing, if Tesla want to throw pairs of V2 chargers around curious off main route Ireland I won't be objecting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    "Following a collaboration with the world leaders in electric vehicles (EV) management at the hotel have agreed a ten year deal with Tesla to provide the service.

    The Tesla superchargers are the world’s fastest electric vehicle chargers and there are currently only five of them in Ireland. They can charge any EV to full battery in just 45 minutes, in comparison to a domestic charging facility which can take up to 12 hours."


    any EV? maybe they can see the future



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    Just noticed the Tralee ones are max 150kW unlike the other V2s on the island which peak at 130kW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    permission granted for Galway site at Raheen Woods



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Good stuff



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tesla have updated their website and now all the V2s are listed at 150kW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The beginning of the end of Tesla, as they are voluntarily relinquishing their USP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    Only time will tell. If Tesla manages to get onto tenders for service stations in the likes of FR or DE where they have subsidies in the order of billions it is going to make a hell for the "non-Tesla" networks. They have knowledge they have the resources, they can move very fast and be paid to do it. It is like somebody paying you for your own advertising. We don't have good experience with SuC which is scarce compared to the rest of Europe but still high praised compared to one national network. I think in the real markets it will result in competition forcing the "non-Tesla" networks to up their games. The likes of Fastned are in a pickle right now. Can they compete with a trillion-dollar company?

    Any news from Sandyford? I saw people going to see model Y. Is there any movement on around the building? I thing the SuC is supposed to be on right hand side as you enter the site.



  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭jordan191


    charged at mahon point yesterday, 50kwh added in 35 minutes for €18, just simple plug & walk away, peaked at 183kw in a model 3 with 25% Soc on a cold battery, its a seamless experience be interesting to see what happens when they open it up



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭jusmeig


    I think keeping it proprietary is not their style, and I assume they are having the other manufacturers foot the majority of the expansion bill.

    I've not had to queue for a Tesla charger once, but I've queued for eCars many times. I just cannot see the sense in Tesla willfully allowing this to happen as they are aware of that advantage. I suspect they will charge other brands a premium to get in, and use the proceeds to avoid capacity issues. If not -> complete madness and brain eating ensues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253



    "Based on the source code of the app, Tesla will allow other EV owners to purchase Supercharger membership packages. There is no mention of pricing within the app yet, other than references to paying “a lower price per kWh,” saving “on your monthly charging costs with a Membership.”

    It also mentions that the membership will be billed on a monthly basis."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭wassie



    I find it hard to believe that a publicly listed company would deliberately sabotage itself for no apparent reason. I suspect that there is massive potential in becoming the global leader in public EV charging infrastructure. All the while car manufacturing is highly competitive and whilst Telsa currently enjoy an advantage at the moment in the EV world, this will be eroded as time goes on as other manufacturers play catchup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Time to start looking at the Ioniq 5 for me. I went for a tesla on account of the superchargers. If they are available to every Tom, Dick and Harry then the "uniqueness" is gone as far as I'm concerned. Interesting to see how it works when cars who cannot reverse in and charge on the rear passenger side attempt to use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    This is true. The financial markets like alternative and recurring revenue streams, too, so it could play out well for them in the long run. If Tesla becomes the de facto charging network

    They have the experience and can install fairly quickly, perhaps with this new revenue stream they'll have more cash to fiance the further expansion of Supercharger network and can either build more faster or make it cheaper for Tesla owners to use.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    As a Tesla owner that decision baffles me. However I'd love to stay on EV but dump Tesla next time I purchase so I guess ultimately it's a good thing. The only possible reason to get a Y over a Hyundai or Kia is gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Looks like they've updated the filters on the Tesla.com map, but doesn't show the superchargers yet.

    Nicely timed announcement to coincide with the kickoff of COP26.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    On Site

    Does the Supercharger cable reach all EVs?

    Certain Supercharger site layouts may not be suitable for some cars. Please do not obstruct other cars by parking over the lines if the cable cannot comfortably reach your car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    That'll happen alright. Can't wait to see the first pictures of a car taking up 2 spots because the cable wasn't long enough to reach their charging port!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Hopefully, they can come up with a technology way to apply an equivalent to the Idle charge for when this happens.

    If you park diagonally across superchargers, you'll be charged a per-minute fee for each supercharger that you 'ICE'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,236 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    So the reason to buy a tesla (unless buying an older one with free lifetime supercharging) is now going.

    VAG and BMW among others must be rubbing their hands with glee at this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Possibly they are, but they also know that they're handing recurring revenue over to Tesla, that Tesla can use to further their expansion / growth plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Elon is looking at giving 6 Billion to help world hunger. Don’t think Tesla owners worries about queues at the Super chargers is high on his list.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    TSLA share has gone up on this news, so obviously this is considered good for the future revenues of Tesla. Not bad.

    Cost of charging for the plebs is twice as high as it is for owners of Teslas though 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭rocky


    Unless you pay a subscription fee, less than 20€ a month, then you pay same as Tesla owners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    Holy moly: TSLA up $65 today so far.

    investors and financial services sector love the recurring revenue.


    Source: https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/01/tesla-is-opening-its-supercharger-network-to-other-evs-for-the-first-time/

    During the earnings call in July, Andrew Baglino, Tesla’s senior VP of powertrain and energy engineering, made the case that opening the Supercharger network to non-Teslas could result in lower electricity costs overall.

    “Increasing the utilization of the network actually reduces our costs, which allows us to lower charging prices for our customers and make the network more profitable, allows us to grow the network faster,” he said. “And no matter what, we’re going to continue to aggressively expand the network capacity, increasing charging speeds, improving the trip planning tools to protect against site congestion using dynamic pricing, as Elon mentioned.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,378 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Cheaper than Ionity by the looks of it and only 20c more expensive than ESB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    I wonder what would be the price for non-Tesla car as Tesla owner. I bet IE will be one of the last to open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    The trial period is only at sites with more than 10 stalls.... so hopefully it never comes to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    I get that the Supercharger network is the envy of all other EV owners and manufacturers and opening the network to other EVs loses some of the prestige and perceived benefits of owning a Tesla. But, if it means that there's more investment, quicker, in more Superchargers around the country, is that not a good thing?

    The Tesla owners will still have the superior experience of just plug and play charging, that's for sure. Less faffing with apps, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Orebro


    I wonder would it also open up the Tesla only destination chargers at hotels and the like, or be confined to the super charger network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Timing is everything with Tesla, COP26 is on the money.

    Can't see the Tesla EV prices dropping as a result of this - isn't it about EUR 1,500 per car that went towards the Supercharger network up to now? Will this put off some potential Irish buyers?

    Between SpaceX, providing insurance, new lease financing, energy trading, solar/green energy solutions, and $6Bn to the WFP is Tesla really a car company anymore?

    A steady stream of income is always preferable over peaks and troughs due to delays and deliveries, and access to Biden's plan is a big deal in the US.

    Too big to fail? Now where have I heard that one before....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    How much money is there actually in car charging though? I greatly value the supercharger network because it gives me the confidence to drive long distances in my €50k car without ever really worrying about being unable to charge or having to queue. That said I've probably used it 5-6 times in the two years I've owned the car, I'd imagine quite a lot of people are similar.



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  • Moderators Posts: 12,385 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Was that the reason to buy a Tesla? Thought it was the car and the tech. No?



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