PUP fraud €183k, should the guilty be stripped of citizenship?

I was on PUP for about 2 weeks last April. I was taken aback at how easy it was. Basically you just needed a PPS Number.

Anybody who had have worked or lived in Ireland at any stage could have signed up for it. And could still be on it.

100% should be stripped of his citizenship, jailed, then deported.

Once someone is awarded citizenship, they're Irish.

Prosecute them as such but we also have laws about discrimination.

You can't hold a bigger threat over someone just by virtue of the fact that they were awarded citizenship.

There's literally laws against doing so.

@Tell me how How many cases are there of Irish citizens committing fraud and never is there a suggestion that they lose their citizenship?

How many cases of people coming here for international protection and asylum lied repeatedly and scammed the system ,

90 % + ?

They came here for a better life of crimes and better rewards with little or no consequences for their actions from drugs , murder ,rape , people trafficking .why shouldn't they be deported , maybe its time we ban dual citizenship from Africa and elsewhere and no option to gain citizenship in the first place.

Let blame racism how original

Pretty sure we all know or have in our own families people who have bled the state for money, houses and everything in between with extremely little chance of recompense to the taxpayer.

Can we deport them to Nigeria too?

I ask this because I have a strong feeling it would include about half of the posters on page 1 of this thread 😅

Where do you deport an Irish citizen to?

Don't know where you pulled the 90+% figure from.

Only about 20% of asylum applications are approved.

Ireland is a republic with a constitutional guarantee of equality before the law. It is fundamentally repugnant to this notion to suggest that there should be two classes of citizen, one whose citizenship can be revoked if they fail to display proper civic virtues and another whose citizenship cannot be revoked in similar circumstances. Other countries may choose have first- and second-class citizens, but we should not.

The facts of this case are extraordinary on many fronts.

At the start of the Pandemic, there is no doubt there was wide spread fraud given it was an emergency measure and the application process was deliberately made easy to insure upwards of 600k got urgent and immediate support. Let's park that bit aside for a moment.

This was not just a simple fraud, it was a planned, determined and extremely complex effort to the defraud the state on a massive scale.

74 employee PPS numbers obtained from two state agencies. (Beyond extraordinary)

57 seperate Banks accounts in two institutions. (Perplexing given how setting up one account is)

€184k that we know of.

I simply ask how all of the possible.

Anyone who's tried to open a bank account in recent years knows how difficult it can be, ID, POA etc etc.

Anyone who deals with SW knows the eligibility checks carried out (take aside getting PUP awarded initially)

It's not clear how long the scam lasted but certainly, I recall within 2 months of PUP being introduced, checks commenced, most notably Data being shared between revenue & SW.

There is actually more questions than answers.

With regard to citizenship loss, this is not going to happen with one of defendants as there is an Irish born child involved, very little info on the other defendant. What is however striking is some money (€6K) I believe paid back, I say striking as these cases historically, and there's been a few on a smaller scale usually result in a total loss to the state.

In reality the €184k is the tip of the iceberg, when legal fees, incarceration costs etc factored it, I suspect the loss will be closer to €1 million.

They did but only when applying for a PSC, I also believe its not even used when applying for PPSN.

The issue here is fraudulently obtaining PPSN from State employee's who in fact were either unlikely to have ever claimed PUP or indeed even be entitled to it, I'm not aware any state employee lost their job or were temporarily laid off, open to correction.

I'm talking about foreign criminals who come here for better proceeds of crimes