PUP fraud €183k, should the guilty be stripped of citizenship?

I don't think citizehship should be conditional on anything - once you have it, that's it, you have it.

But I don't have any problem with making it more difficult to earn.

The same people who whinge about Garlic man getting jail time would be screaming for public floggings for these guys.

There is also the outdated notion that citizenship obliges someone to loyalty and fidelity to a country. That the act of being (or becoming) a citizen, places upon you a moral and social obligation to be willing to lay down your life in defence of the country and to be the best citizen that you can be.

Nonsense, of course. No Irish person goes to the US and gets citizenship because they have a deep devotion to the US flag and US culture. They do it because having to renew your visa is a pain in the hoop.

This is also why people get Irish citizenship; to make paperwork easier.

The notion that being an Irish citizen is contingent on not breaking the law is beyond laughable.

Our own fault for having 20 layers of disconnected bureucracy in each of 100 departments communicating with each other on request.

No you can't strip people of citizenship, but christ it is tempting sometimes.

This was quite an organised little scam that pulled in a huge haul of money and I note they did not identify their accomplices.

I guess they will not be featured in this week's "new to the parish" column in the Irish Times?

Was it really a big scam?

I mean like REALLY?

lets to the maths....

Assuming they got the max rate €350

PUP was paid from March 2020 to Nov 2021 (20 months / 84 weeks)

€183,000 / 84 / 350 = 6.2

So in reality, they probably managed to get 7 or 8 names and used them to claim PUP, probably names of people that were once resident here and went home.

It's literally a drop in the ocean.

Yeah they should be punished with a custodial sentence or pay all the money back, but this isn't news. The only thing that makes this news is the fact the accused are black.

There's PLENTY of white people on the take.

its simple really. If you are using this story to claim, or to use as proof, that all Nigerians are theives or scammers etc etc then ya, you are racist (or possibly just xenophobic)

Bit like the small minority in England in the 70's, 80's who thought that all micks were terrorists....

If, on the other hand, you are saying that these two specific fellas are aholes and should be locked away and then deported becuase of what they did, then there is nothing racist about that. You are judging people becuase of their actions as oppsoed to where they came from or what colour their skin is.

It still amazes me that people are too fcuking dumb to figure out on their own if they are or are not being racist.

Having said that there is loads of studies that link low intellegence with racism, so maybe I shouldn't be that suprised.

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That comes across as a bit innocent tbh.

Surely you can see the difference people might make between someone we are stuck with, and have to manage i.e. our own wasters and someone who comes begging and pretends they need help, and then after helping them for years they decide to repay your generosity by ripping you off.

We are stuck permanently with one of these fellas from what I read. The other one we are not stuck with and he should be put out.

BTW, one contribution to rising house prices is local authorities bidding against you with bottomsless purses because they need to buy houses to put people in. That is a very good thing when it is needed. But you might not like it if you keep getting outbid by them on houses you want if the people they are putting into those houses are scammers who had no status here but someone else decided should be let into the country because they spun a good yarn.

Sorry, I agree with you, the point I was trying to make is that the money these men stole was nothing compared to the overall PUP fraud going on in this country, largely perpetrated by "ethnically Irish" yet these two have a whole thread dedicated to them.

Exact same but keep the cut in prison——- er

Seriously? Were you not asked for employer's or former employer's reference number or a payslip?