Acceptable Covid death rates

Yes I understand that, but it's not correct to say they didn't know about it.

As we were locked down for months the government sat and did nothing to stop people travelling here, knowing that variants from other countries would come in. Even when they eventually brought in mandatory hotel quarantine India wasn't even on the list initially. By then it was clear delta was a huge worry.

The government did not want to bring in hotel quarantine at all and that's when a lot of people started to become increasingly angry and frustrated about the situation. I understand with the UK it may not have been possible but they could have stopped others from travelling here. They chose not to and wanted all the restrictions on the citizens instead.

well get caring as you are factually incorrect.

it's that the comment is so stupid and cringe worthy that is the issue really.

that's wonderful, but other then the fact you run now and then, the rest of your post is just meaningless sound bites that don't work.

More silly juvenile stuff ..read my answers yesterday . Not wasting my time posting the same stuff over and over .

The dates they gave definitely were not based on the evidence they had at the time, they knew from previous lockdowns that the numbers don't go down that quickly so that's simply not true.

It won't keep the unvaccinated away from the vaccinated as much as possible, it just stops them going into pubs and nightclubs. They are still going to be mixing absolutely everywhere else over the busiest time of the year. The difference is going to be miniscule.

Recommending starvation now ...

There are an abundance of ignorant people out there, Skimpydoo, who think they have the answer for everything that medical science doesn't by a quick scroll through a ' health' website or by reading some influencer's story in the daily rag.

We wil not be changing the minds, of those who don't even read posts properly.

If people take the easy wins such as wearing masks on public transport and in shops etc. then the other things become more possible. The couple of times I've had to get on public transport over the past few months I've noticed a complete disregard for simple measures. Those people are pissing away other people's past sacrifices and everyones potential future gains for nothing except laziness and ignorance.

To the poster moaning above that people should go on the dole instead of working, well if you actually really want people to be back working (rather than just talking about it) then wear your mask when you can. That is how things get back to normal.

Numbers are huge today. But the last time they were this bad the hospitals were getting overrun. So I can't understand why others are whinging about being "fooled" by the vaccine. We have hardly any restrictions now relatively speaking and yet we are still managing.

You are right. As mentioned above you will see the lazy ones who have no interest in getting the country back to normality. And they are fairly obvious about it. They are the ones who can't even be arsed to properly wear a mask and observe social distancing in the few places it is mandated.

You might not be saying that if you have an upcoming procedure scheduled in the hospital and it is cancelled 2 weeks out and put back by 6 months because the hospitals are dealing with a surge. The virus will be here and we need to learn to live with it. But that means knowing how to manage it and behave appropriately. Some people appear to think that "learning to live with" means pretending it doesn't exist.

I don't want more lockdowns. Which is why I get frustrated seeing people not making a slight effort to do the easy things right.

Why would another lockdown be around the corner? Hospital numbers are reducing

What does that mean?

What is everyone supposed to do?

more then enough time in that increases were needed long before covid certainly, but realistically if they had started just as covid hit it is unlikely that the needed increases would be here now, at least not the staff.

to be honest no western country would be able to build infrastructure as quick as china.

Yep. 65 ICU beds open and staffed and another 20 on the way by January . Need about 80 more for our population needs , at least, but medical and nursing staff with the qualifications take a bit longer .

Or maybe he just didn't stay up all night reading boards.ie. In fairness the question was posted after 11pm last night and it isn't half 9 yet.

What do you think should be recommended that people should do if they want to minimize the spread of covid? Should they:

A) Pretend it doesn't exist. Sure doesn't medical evidence from Facebook says if you pretend it does exist, then you can't catch it and it will go aware

B) Follow simple guidelines such as washing hands and also wearing facemasks in crowded enclosed public areas. Get your vaccine when offered. Make sure you get your booster when offered. If you have any symptoms, isolate and have a test done.

How can we be more than 18 months into this and you still don't know what the basic recommendations are?

1) Wear mask in crowded public areas - especially the likes of public transport.

2) If you have symptoms, isolate and get a test done.

3) Take your vaccine, and any booster, when offered

It's no wonder that that the numbers are flying up. How have you not noticed any changes over the past 18 months compared to previously? Did you not realise that something was going on?

But does this include arenas like nightclubs and gigs? Is it realistic to expect people to do this? And if not should they have been allowed to reopen at all?

No. The recommendations are that you can get away without masks in certain circumstances. There is a level of infection that is manageable. But we have to keep control of it. So you have to prioritize - do you want to wear a mask in a nightclub (and close it down if that is not obeyed) or do you want to wear a mask on a bus?

If people won't wear the mask on the bus then we might need to close the nightclub. Take the easy wins to keep the numbers down to manageable levels to allow things to get back to somewhat normal