PUP fraud €183k, should the guilty be stripped of citizenship?

I find the right wing agenda of a large % of boards.ie posters interesting.

You don't see posters arguing that Ray Burke, for example, should be stripped of his citizenship. Without excusing the PUP fraud referred to in the OP, corrupt politicians cause more harm to the fabric of society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Burke_(Irish_politician)

Well we know one thing, this lad isn't gonna pay a tap towards it like this idiot here.

Its really high time we start making examples of these wasters, Irish or imported Irish I couldn't care less, I for one am getting sick to my teeth of forking out for everything, getting nothing and these chancers laughing there socks off at us clowns paying out, working and playing life honestly.

The PUP was widely abused and I am sure more cases will follow.

My brother got a letter recently, seems like they overpaid him PUP so may owe up to 30k. He's claiming to have rang them and explained it all and they messed up by not taking him off the system, but he still didn't report that the payments were continuing. I've no doubt there will be a lot of cases for PUP fraud in the coming year or two.

Re: Just a drop in the ocean, correct, but all those drops from all the different people add up. So we should go tooth and nail after everyone who defrauds. And we need to change citizenship policies. Give it out, no problem, but if you start abusing the system or taking from the state, then I don't see why the state should honor your citizenship. Should be a term of acceptance, if you commit certain crimes, it gets revoked. People treating it like it's a right, it's not unless you were born in Ireland.

People treating it like it's a right, it's not unless you were born in Ireland.

A child born outside Ireland to a parent who was an Irish-born Irish citizen has a right to automatic citizenship from birth.

And a child born outside Ireland to a parent who was an Irish citizen born outside Ireland has the right to claim citizenship.

And that's where it's wrong, imo. Only people born in Ireland should automatically get citizenship. Just because you are Irish, doesn't mean your kid should get it if they're born in another country. Again, just my opinion.

I am an Irish-born Irish citizen. My daughter was born outside Ireland, and 4 years later my son was born in Ireland.

Do you actually think my daughter shouldn't be entitled to citizenship, while my son would be?

Oh but it does work that way. The very fact that citizenship granted through naturalisation can be revoked by law means that there are two tiers of citizen.

No. Just a PPS number and your bank details, as far as I can remember. But we have to remember the state set it up in an emergency, they didn't have time to develop security protocols.

As I said, I was on it for 2 weeks. But it turned out I was not meant to be on it. I was losing my job anyway and we were unsure if our former employer were covering us. It turned out that they did and when I signed on the dole a few weeks later they whipped the 2 weeks back.

Later in the year I was applying for tax back and revenue had no idea I was on PUP for 2 weeks. They asked and I gave them an honest answer.

Shamima Begum was a British citizen by birth, not by naturalisation.

I can't see any reason for punishing dual passport holders more severely than single passport holders for the same offence. The number of passports you hold doesn't affect the gravity of the offence in the smallest degree, and adopting this arbitrary criterion will mean that the severity of punishments will be skewed in a way that is disproportionately related to the race or ethnicity of offenders.

You think it's morally wrong to treat all citizens as equal?