Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

In fairness the Greens 25 years ago had something to offer - their ideas about grow your own vegetables / self sustainability / less fossil fuel and the like were viewed as looney, eccentric, off the wall stuff. That especially was underlined in Celtic Tiger years and they were all washed away.

The crowd now are just an urban bunch of cycling lobbyists. If they can't whine and lecture people about that cycling, they are clueless.

They have almost no support down the country or in Agricultural / Horticultural Community, where you would imagine their strongest expertise / support would be.

Being obnoxious about labelling people "antivaxxers" or excluding them is not surprising.

The digital covid cert only works if you are vaccinated . THey don't allow digial cert with antigen test to obtain entry.

So you can prove you don't have covid with a negative antigen test but they won't let you in but once you have the vax you could have covid and obtain entry. Trust the science!

Who would want to go to a green part convention anyway.

The point I'm making is that we should not be even considering any papers, or trials at this point.

This pandemic has been going on for 2 years, there is data available on when masks were introduced in each country and plenty of before and after data on every aspect of the disease progression, death and R rates etc.

If masks were effective, then there would be clear indications of their efficacy borne out by a step change occurring in the death, transmission or other indicators in each country on the date that they were introduced.

To my knowledge and based on data for EU countries that introduced masks prior to Ireland, there was zero impact on any disease metric.

I don't doubt in the slightest that a study can be created to show that they are effective in some circumstance or other.

However in the real world (which is all that counts) they have had zero impact as far as I'm aware.

If you can point me towards any indication of a real impact on any Covid metric on a population basis then I'd be happy to accept it.

I haven't read the papers you linked but hope you can acknowledge that your original choice of paper was indeed a very poor one.

Papers can be based on a thesis, a study on a (typically) small sample or analysis of full population data. I'd argue at this point in the Covid fiasco that only those based on the latter is acceptable now.

Can you show me any real-time evidence to show that masks had no effect to prove what you are saying. I note the ‘as far as I’m aware’ after strong prophesastion that masks have zero impact. I think it’s only fair as you have disregarded the science, you have disregarded every peer review article (just to say I’m not having a go, I’m just saying where I’m coming from) and only made a statement. Again I’m being truthful and genuine when I say that I’m here and open to learn and I’m not someone that Is entrenched,

This has been claimed numerous times despite the fact that there's no clear evidence supporting it, and a fair bit of circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

Keeping schools open has always been a political decision considering factors other than Covid, and appropriate interpretations of the data have been made

There no actual evidence to contradict it either so it remains a battleground of differing views.

Are they going to extend it to Polling stations next, perhaps?

Seeing as most of unvaccinnated wouldn't seem the type to be voting for FF/FG/Green in the unlikely event of an election before February 9th.

And how is the state of emergency declared on 9/11 affecting your life these days?

So you are just complaining about something for the sake of it, By any chance are you an anti everything person?

Yes and we still have to take our shoes off at airport security and can’t take bottles of liquid on board etc. With covid, nobody knows, it’s an almost unprecedented situation. Imo anyone who says they know for sure when this is going to be over is lying. Ultimately it’ll depend on each country’s risk threshold or tolerance for deaths and disruption to health services, but we’re all so interlinked now it’s very hard for one country to go it alone.

Do you really think anyone anywhere actually wants to have masks and certs as a permanent feature or as any feature, for a second more than necessary ? I mean, think about that for a moment, it’s just not plausible, despite what the CT people might think. There really isnt some blofeld character in the background looking to p1ss people off for sh1ts and giggles.

Scotland hospitalisations 73.5 % fully vaxed

23.8% non vaxed

With so many vaccinated and people that are vaccinated able to transmit the virus,are these passes not a complete waste of time?