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2-Bedroom houses now start at over half a million euro

  • 04-11-2021 6:15pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Can we talk about this?


    New 2 bed houses coming on stream at Cherrywood in Dublin will start at €555k. 3-bed mid-terrace houses start at €635k and 4 beds from only three quarters of a million euro. Get one while you can folks!

    Seriously €555k for a tiny 87sqm 2 bedroom house? In Cherrywood?! Is this what we've come to?

    I could understand if it was Dalkey or Rathgar or Malahide or somewhere upmarket, but Cherrywood? Wasn't it supposed to be an affordable development?

    2 Bed places are usually a more affordable 'foot on the ladder' property for singles and young couples, but how on earth is the average person supposed to buy a starter home at these prices?

    I'm surprised there's not more commotion about this in the media. I guess this is normal now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    500 metres from a luas stop and they are building low density housing... lol! Lol!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,764 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Over a half of Mil yoyos...for tiny shoe box...in Ireland.....




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    These are very high end homes in a very expensive area with excellent infrastructure.

    *THESE* two bedroomed houses start at 0.5m, but your thread headline that '2-bedroom homes now start at over half a million euro', as if it is some sort of market norm, is false and misleading.

    I can find you a 2 bed home in the county of Dublin for 250k and one for 2 million, if its outliers you are interested in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Quarter of M is also very much nuts for 80sqm tbh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No it isn't. Two average wage earners together make 70 to 80 grand and could get a 300k mortgage without blinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I wouldn’t say cherrywood is expensive right beside the brack there’s not much there it has the luas and the 7 that’s it. Get a 3 bed in tullyvale for under €400k

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,223 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Hypothetically...If we weren’t in the EU, I’d love a government to take on developers...via use of a housing regulator... max price for houses and any attempt at gouging or trying to circumvent would lead to criminal convictions...

    dozens of industries are regulated, a pub in a housing estate in Santry can’t serve alcohol after 11.30 on a Wednesday.

    regulating house prices via a housing regulator should be done...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You're right about that being anti-competitive. But theres nothing to stop the Government here using its financial heft to become a serious developer and build homes for life of many types on a co-operative housing basis like seen in many continental states.

    We just need an ESB for housing. And maybe that's what the LDA is on its way to being. But lets hope it doesn't turn into an Irish Water.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dont buy one so OP



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    The Luas is already at capacity in the mornings, so this development will already cause issues without building high density.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭pcardin


    lol...we are both obviously residing in two different dimensions. Its not about getting a mortgage for a 300 k without a blink (which is an obvious lie anyway) but it is about fact that 300k is percieved normal for a 80sqm sh1t box that I wouldnt even call a house. Something that is attached to your neighbours wall is not a house. Its a farm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    If you're not willing to accept or at least verify basic facts for yourself, I'm done discussing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    What's wrong with Irish water?

    If you clear out the noise from the fucwits like Paul "silver spoon" Murphy and other fools, you'll realise Irish water have managed the water system fairly well and semi-permanent boil water notices are a thing of the past.

    The LDA looks promising and proper long term funding is being provided. Let's hope it hits the ground running



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Anyone currently using the Luas to commute into the city for work at rush hours from Sandyford or Dundrum etc... can forget about being able to get it after all those apartments and units are finished in Cherrywood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,313 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Maybe do what I did. I couldn't afford the rent in the town I was living in, so moved to a place I could afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,719 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In terms of its conception and its infancy, it was an absolute clusterf***.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Rket4000


    It seems like crazy money for those house sizes - but it's market forces. If people will pay those prices that's what they'll charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,482 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    What's high end about them? Other than the price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    There's not enough houses being build low supply high demand equals high prices . It probably costs 200k plus to build a house,building materials cost 35 per more since 2020 it's a ridiculous price for a standard house my friend sold a 4 bed house dublin 15 for 250 k 3 years ago with large back garden

    But you are also paying for location

    Plenty of 3bed houses going for 250k in working class aread

    Builders used to always build new 3 bed house my advice buy where you can afford to buy i think now banks are asking how much couple earn plus can you get money from your parents too for the deposit

    The regulator has to make sure banks are not lending too much money to couples to buy a house and the government says it will build 20k units per year

    I might be more acurrate to post New 2bed houses are now 500k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603


    southside, inside m50. suck it up or lower your demands and try northside and/or outside the sacred m50 pale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    You are paying 250k to live on the south side, a mortgage is 30 years approx, to pay back the extra 250 k will actually cost you 500k.at least assuming interest rates are low, you can still buy an old 2bed house for 250k on the northside

    Interest rates on mortgages may go up in a few years as inflation rises no one knows what interest rates will be in 2030

    I'd like a housing expert or an economist to discuss is a 2bed house for 500k a good investment ? Dublin is not new York or London



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,879 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In 2020 86% of properties were declared as being worth under €250K by the owners. See Page 9.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/statistics/lpt/local-property-tax-2020.pdf

    That was an old valuation. But even the new LPT valuation shows over 50% being valued under €263K. So any €500K house is an outlier.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/tax/one-third-of-local-property-tax-returns-value-homes-at-less-than-200000-41011374.html





  • oh hardly cos some fools made a big deal about how water is "our right"

    yeah, it's surely a right to have it pumped right into your gaff and maintained for ye for free.

    try that in a supermarket just go grab a bottle and refuse to pay because "water is our right".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Why the feck are we still following the failed US style planning model, if you want to have a sprawling mess with a myriad of social issues and lacking cohesion it's the way to go.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    I was up in clayfarm earlier. The amount of development underway is staggering... there should be a condition of planning, that these massive developments require at least a basic local shop ... you have people driving a few km to get a litre of milk for god sake! It's just insane...

    You are right about us following the failed us model though... it shows you the absolute hate faced living going on from politicians about sustainability etc. When they are actively opposed to it... sanction low density housing near the only semi decent bit of rail infrastructure in the state and the only bit that has been in a hundred years, is the few km mickey mouse luas system and it is totally mickey mouse for a city of 1.5 million and 2 million probably not more than 2 decades off...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,223 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The market should be regulated... housing, shelter IS a human right... therefore companies actually actively operate to limit people’s ability to procure the most basic housing it needs to be acted on...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    One third saying they love I a property worth less than 200k and pay e90 a year. It's a ridiculous tax not even worth collecting ... scrap it. The only ones paying anything meaningful, are the ones already contributing far more than their fair share of tax...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,879 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Where would you look for the €453 million, if it is scrapped?



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Abril Brave Slipper


    "Sinn Féin are constantly rejecting housing proposals."

    This is why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Tis bad enough to be paying 90 a year to hold onto your own stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    453 million?! It would run the country for 2 or 3 days. The government recently said they are several billion ahead of where they though the state finances would be only a few months ago...

    Where do they get the several billion every year to increase spending?

    Economic growth... it's a farce of a tax... why not tell the people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Yeah and what about people on pittance incomes having over half their income over 35,000 confiscated. To subsidise the likes of as good as free, let's call it what it is, token gesture property tax...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Get a mansion in most counties for that.

    Dublin is a kip



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,391 ✭✭✭markpb


    What a car crash of a thread, it’s worse than TheJournal comments section in here. It must be time for someone to complain about travellers or cyclists?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Apparently, we're rich once again. The boom is back baby!

    That's what I've been told anyway.

    Sure isn't it great craic living in a wealthy western nation? You lucky old sods, you're all living the dream! 😂

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭notAMember


    The land in that location is the bulk of the cost, not the house itself.

    seems nuts to do a low density build in a high demand area.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,172 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    It was never maintained for free.

    Domestic rates were abolished in 1977, replaced later by increases to VAT and Income Tax to make up for the shortfall


    We have always been paying for our water



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,482 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    It's more beside the M50 than inside really. It's way far out from town.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    low density housing beside the best bit of public transport in the state (which isnt saying much) and low density housing goes there. Meanwhile college students are driving hundreds of kilometers a week, because there is no accomodation or affordable accomodation nearby... You can definitely tell they are serious on climate change, sustainability and solving the housing crisis.. LOLLLLLLLLLLL!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/a-270km-daily-trip-to-college-the-rise-of-the-long-distance-commuting-student-1.4719297






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,443 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you gotta love a 'fire sector' driven and run economy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Their kids will develop adhd from lack of green spaces and play areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,443 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    as far as im aware, adhd is a genetic disorder, may stand corrected though, but having a lack of green spaces and play areas, definitely increases the likelihood of complex psychological disorders in both adults and kids



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ululator


    Check the CSO, ESRI, Eurostat, look into the numbers.


    Home prices have been manipulated upwards by the governments and their pals.


    A rapid, hugely significant increase of migrants, and wholesale selling of new and old homes to foreign vulture funds, baked in for at least the next few decades. And this is somehow to fix the housing crisis? Lol


    Anyone who can't see the link between the two, and anyone who thinks it's a supply problem and not a demand problem, needs to donate their malfunctioning brains to science by tonight.


    Wake up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,443 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...only that serious supply issues were noted at the height of the last crash, particularly in the dublin region, by respected commentators, and the advice was, get building! our governments response was, ah fcuk it, it ll be grand! little or nothing to be doing with welfare classes and the scary foreigner's!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    the market is regulated ,by the central bank rules, eg you can only borrow 3to 3.5 times your salary on a House loan, and you need to save a 10-20 per cent deposit,the problem is since the 2007 crash the no of new build houses.apartments did not keep up with demand ,many builders went of out business

    when the house,s they were building fell in value by 50-60 per cent .the market is not being manipulated ,its more like occams razor, eg the government simply did not take action to build more house,s .rules on high density building do not help, builders should be allowed to build 10 storey apartment blocks in city centre locations to meet demand and to reduce the average cost of each unit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ululator


    Oh so the poor lazy fools forgot to build houses, but they're sharp and active enough to sell existing swathes of housing to vulture funds, guaranteeing maximum rent, while also facilitating the arrival of hundreds of thousands of extra people, for years and years, while all existing plans point to them doing the exact same thing for the next decade...


    Nah. Completely and utterly unbelievable.


    That's piss falling on us, not rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ululator


    No. It's just not in any way believable.


    See my reply above.


    The reason property is out of control in this country is by design, not incompetence.



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