Spiking.

Thirdly it has to be proven that an individual placed it there for them to be convicted of it. I don't really want to say too much on it but there was a case a few years back about an Irish girl who was killed and her friend was sexually assaulted in Asia after being drugged. The perpetrators were not however convicted of drugging them.

Another girl came forward subsequently to say that the same thing had happened to her with the same perpetrators - after being invited to share their bottle of whatever, she blacked out and woke up hours later having been assaulted.

It is clear that you would blame a female in those circumstances, or at least refuse to accept what she is telling you (in the absence of "evidence") but you have no such qualification for the male in the same scenario. That is why I mention the gender. You confirmed it with your posts

Your debating style is pretty funny. You concoct some distinction which is irrelevant to anything that is being discussed and then go on and on about it to distract from your guff.

Neither scenario 2 nor scenario 2 mentioned spiking. Both only mentioned having 2 drinks, getting unexpected effects as if wasted, then sleeping for 18 hours straight. You say you would accept the male story but that you would accept the female one depending on circumstances.

Ok that is fair enough. I withdraw the differences I made based on gender

Nope. One side is saying:

No evidence of a drug based spiking attack exists

That's a pretty **** statement. That argument boils down to implying that every girl who claims she was spiked and attacked is just a slut who got too drunk, got what she wanted, and now feels guilty. I mean the claim that there is no evidence that it exists is in a post where poster is explaining why he disregards a 100% verified case where people were given spiked drinks and raped. The perpetrator recorded it on video FFS!

There is plenty of evidence that such attacks exist. Here is the HSE advice: https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/drink-spiking-date-rape-drugs/

What you are referring to as the "other side" are simply those that say that women who say they were spiked and attacked should not be automatically dismissed as liars. And you try to make some perverse "comparision" between them and a salem witch hunt????????????? Unless you have written your post badly and do not mean that, you should be, quite frankly, ashamed of yourself

So we now have dozens of cases all over the country.

All seem to involve college students who crave attention.

Seems no-one actually sees this happening. Maybe everyone in the vicinity turns their heads at that precise moment and the dozens of predatory males doing it are not seen by a single person.

It seems that it's this year's social media myth, but politicians and "affected" types have to feign belief.

Here's a few more debunked stupid myths

1. Someone put a cloth on my face and I fainted. They robbed my purse or similar. Here it was a Dunnes stores carpark, in the UK it was Asda, in the US it was Walmart.

2. White van trawling estate looking to snatch children. Again it's always a working class estate - seems middle class children are not of interest. But funny, all these white van drivers never seem to actually catch a child.

3. Last year's funniest one. There's chalk on the path (it rains a lot) or even funnier, there's a black cable tie on the gate (how many houses have gates) so that house is being targeted for (choose your favourite)

A. Dog to be stolen

B. To be robbed.

But the gutter media absolutely LOVE this utter sh1te as it allows them create fabulous scare headlines for the suckers who believe this bullsh1t

You never said anything about it being common. You said:

No evidence of a drug based spiking attack exists

You are the only one lying.

I'm fairly astounded at the posts on here. Do you believe that rape or sexual assault ever happens?? Perhaps that is what people really mean?

And the poster above implying that every single student saying that they were attacked is just looking for attention. That's mad.

Look we get it. You grudgingly acknowledge that that fella in London raped men after drugging them. What you don't accept is that young women might ever be targeted and drugged. You position is that spiking is impossible and that any woman claiming it happened is a liar.

As for the poster above implying that because victims tend to be students and younger then they are obviously lying for attention. He probably thinks the same for victims of clerical sexual abuse. He probably finds it "suspicious" that those all tended to be kids ... and that kids love attention........

And again Donald, just to point out your utter dishonesty and hysteria.

The full sentence of which you quoted just part of, is.

And the full context is.

I mean it's hard enough to have an open discussion when sentences are taken out of context 😉 but when snippets are used to make poor and thoroughly dishonest points? 🤔

For further clarity though, and for those interested in seeing through Donald's constant lying and hyperbole (Username checks out 😁)

Here's not just the snipped sentence, but the entire post. To give full context to the wheelspinning undertaken by Don.

For clarity, I acknowledge that both alcohol and drug spiking exist. I've read that alcohol is the most common type but they both exist. I think the syringe spiking is in dispute at the moment. Lots of claims of syringe spiking but not enough evidence to conclude its actually happening.

A person may have been spiked and incorrectly suspect a needle. It doesn't mean that they weren't spiked.

What others appear to be arguing here is that there is zero chance of anyone being spiked by any method

So you have the evidence to hand to refute the medical/legal/academic evidence posted earlier in the thread?

You have evidence of drug based spiking being widespread?

Because you have been asked for it multiple times? Post it.

Or are we back to relying on anecdotes? You seem eager to assign certitude to what those who don't rush to embrace the unevidenced notion of widespread drug spiking believe?

Why? Why the mad rush to gender it?

Why the rush to label someone who acts on evidence, and seeks even the merest hint of it? Something more than a feeling as being dismissive of such attacks? As being mysoginist or worse? In a post earlier, you made a Scurrilous link between a poster, victim blaming and child abuse by clergy. Why? Is it too much to actually expect you to discuss the facts, what has been said? Rather than what you think is inferred? Because as already been amply demonstrated by you on this thread? Your skills of analysis and inference are non existent.

I do believe that drug attacks happen. I also believe however that in the absence of actual medical evidence to support such a claim when it's made?

That it is an unsupported and unevidenced claim. That does not diminish the actual impact of such an experience upon someone suffering it. Loss of motor function, control, memory loss are all terrifying.

Hence why the advice offered by the Gardaí and HSE to people who feel they have suffered such an attack is vital.

Seek help, alert friends, staff, and anyone you can and attend a medical centre/hospital as soon as possible. Allow for evidence of any substance administered to be gathered. Bloods, urine and saliva. Those may unfortunately not result in someone being convicted if anything is detected. But, and this is of prime importance to the point you keep deliberately avoiding. It allows the evidence of the rarity of such attacks that is the current consensus and evidenced position to be refuted.

The literature and studies available to date, all point to drug based attacks being rare. The primary mode of intoxicant used is alcohol. If that is to be refuted? It needs to be done by evidence and not anecdote.

Do you have the evidence to do so? Do you agree that in the current absence of such evidence, that it needs to be gathered?

Or should all responses be based on the hysteria you seem determined to adopt?

So more lies and actual bullshit rather than actual honesty?

On multiple occasions over the last couple you have objectively and demonstrably lied. You have misquoted, misconstrued, misunderstood and assigned opinions never expressed to multiple posters.

You have been repeatedly asked for clarification, correction and evidence or to withdraw claims you have made.

It's fairly clear to anyone browsing this thread where any credibility and credulity lay.

It's not with you, as even in this instance? More questions ignored and an effort made to misrepresent and smear rather than respond.

Your refusal to even acknowledge that spiking can and does occur is telling. Your dancing and fluffing attempting to obscure it is of no consequence. I can't really say any more than that. I don't need to in fact.