Sexual assault at high school in the State of Virginia.

There’s a fair bit of passing the buck going on when it comes to accommodating prisoners who are transgender in the Irish prison system, but one of the problems is that there are no guidelines as to how they are to be accommodated -

Robert Purcell is correct in observing that the law that was enacted in 2015 didn’t envisage this situation, nor should it have done, any more than marriage laws should have envisaged spousal rape, child neglect and sexual abuse or domestic violence. One thing simply has nothing to do with the other.

Recognising everyone has an equal right to their gender identity and having that being recognised as a protected characteristic in Irish law is a matter of civil law. Criminal offences are a matter of criminal law -

And just in case anyone is thinking they can simply identify their way out of a possible criminal conviction, that much was envisaged -

Effect of gender recognition certificate generally

(6) The issue of a gender recognition certificate shall not affect the rights or liabilities of a person or consequences of an action by the person in their original gender prior to the date of issue of the certificate.

Gender specific offences

23. (1) Where (apart from this subsection) a relevant gender-specific sexual offence could be committed or attempted only if the gender of the person to whom a gender recognition certificate is issued were not the preferred gender, the fact that the person’s gender has become the preferred gender does not prevent the sexual offence being committed or attempted.

(2) An offence is a relevant gender-specific sexual offence if a condition specified in subsection (3) is satisfied.

(3) The following conditions are referred to in subsection (2):

(a) that the offence may only be committed by a person of a particular gender;

(b) that the offence may only be committed against, or in relation to, a person of a particular gender.

(4) A part of the body surgically constructed (in particular through gender assignment surgery) is the same, for the purposes of a sexual offence, as a part of the body not so surgically constructed.

(5) In this section “sexual offence” means an offence specified in the Schedule to the Sex Offenders Act 2001 .

Also -

Exemptions under the Equal Status Acts

Under the Equal Status Acts there are certain exemptions in relation to the provision of goods and services, that allow people to be treated differently.

Risk of criminal or disorderly conduct where a provider of goods/services, or a person providing accommodation or related services, can refuse service/accommodation to a person if a reasonable individual, having the knowledge and experience of the provider, would form the belief that the provision of service/accommodation to the customer would produce a substantial risk of criminal or disorderly conduct or behaviour, or damage to property in or around the area where the service is provided.

Exemptions on specific grounds

The Acts allow people to be treated differently on ground of gender in relation to:

• Cosmetic Services, covering cosmetic, aesthetic or similar services which involve physical contact (e.g. hairdressing);
• Privacy/Embarrassment, where embarrassment or breach of privacy could reasonably be expected to happen on account of the presence of a person of another gender.

The idea of conflating biology with behaviour ignores the most basic and obvious reality that there is simply no correlation between them whatsoever. It also ignores the reality that a number of women in the UK have been convicted of sexual assault by what is termed ‘rape by deception’ -

Yeah, I was more responding to the posts that claim that predatory men using self-id or trans-inclusive policy to gain access to vulnerable women and/or children to intimidate, rape or attack them is something that will never happen.

It has happened, it is happening, it will continue to happen, and the more safeguarding measures are dropped in pursuit of "inclusivity" (as defined by a very specific, minority ideology), the more it will happen.

It's Chesterton's fence.

"In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it." ~G.K. Chesterton

Bizarre. We've had multiple loooong threads full of vigorous debate and you're trying to pretend one side (conveniently the opposite to the side you are on) refuse to debate. So silly.

@eskimohunt. that they know,

Well from experience they don't know they don't even have the basics ,if you follow a cohort of posters you will see one makes the usual it's all about inclusiveness and equality followed by others saying the same thing while running around in circles chasing their tails .

It's usually ends with your all woman hating , homophobic ,tranpbobes ,

I don't care about gender, at all. And as for gender identity, I'm basically an atheist. I believe other people when they tell me about their faith and their very strong internal feelings about the things they call gender identity, but I'm no more convinced that it's real than I am convinced that my gran is drinking the literal blood of a Middle-Eastern man who lived 2000+ years ago when she tells me it's so.

But I would like to retain single-sex facilities. Not just for the reasons of safeguarding as mentioned above, but because there are things that I am simply more comfortable doing in a women-only space than in a mixed environment, like washing hands after changing a tampon or washing out a menstrual cup.

We can't really know whether in this case, the offender would have raped this girl in this bathroom at that time with a different policy in place. But I think it's naive to think that male predators would somehow not take advantage of the lowered safeguarding measures around women's spaces. It strikes me as particularly naive in Ireland, given the shameful history of clergy using societal/cultural trust to take advantage of women and children.

i read an article about this , his mother says he is not trans,he does not identity as a trans woman, he simply chooses to wear a dress to school one day a week for some reason.

i think women need safe spaces where they can go like bathrooms ,changing rooms .is it really a good idea to allow a 15 year old boy to enter a womans bathroom , just because he decides to wear a dress to school that day.maybe they could simply state up til the age of 18 men ,boys use the male bathroom, ,women use the womens bathroom in schools .i,m not saying that lbgt people or trans women should not have rights and be allowed to wear what they want to wear

You repeatedly referred to 'The Left' as a grouping and now you are backtracking and saying you were only talking about a few specific people.

So either, you're comfortable with calling people evil while claiming you ever so polite and restrained, or you are exaggerating the scope of people on the left who behave unacceptably.

Either way, it's not a great look for your argument.

Nobody "allowed him" into the bathroom. They arranged to meet there.

There was a similar case in the UK , nobody got attacked but similarly a male teenager decided he was gender fluid his mother went to the media to tell the world her Child was being discriminated against by his school ,the days he identified as female were the days that involved swimming and sports and he should have full access to the girls changing areas even if the girls felt uncomfortable changing with a teenage boy .

It's all the victims fault -

Suprise , suprise

If no one sees that for what it is then society has some serious issues - find people using gender fluid very hard to believe

Exactly. He wasn't there to use the toilets. He was there to meet someone.

Absolutely nothing to do with trans people using toilets.

Of course anti-trans people can't do an embarrassing stepdown now so they'll double down on the nonsense and end up looking ridiculous.