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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭paulboland


    Any members from Ireland still wating for their Liverpool 2021/2022 International Membership Pack to be delivered

    I got a dispatch email on September 3rd 2021

    I still not got delivery yet

    I'm just curious if there are lot of others still wating for delivery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭steve_r


    I thought VVD looked rattled yesterday. I wonder is fatigue an issue after being out so long?

    I think Robbo needs a proper rest and Tsmikas should get a run. Robbo didn’t have the summer off, just looking around the league you can see that a lot of the players who went far in the euros are getting tired now.

    Thinking about it this morning, I actually think the Brighton game was more disappointing given the lead being thrown away. West Ham played really well yesterday and they’ve a very strong team so I think a defeat to them needs to be seen in context.

    it’s good to see that Klopp trusts Taki and Origi to make a contribution- if he felt he would get nothing from them then he would have left them on the bench altogether.



  • Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    Exactly. He is probably told his budget at beginning of each window so he knows the score. I'd say theres a degree of mere acceptance rather than it being his choice not to invest.

    Ist all well and good mentioning (not you just generally speaking) the sheer numbers in midfield but anyone with eyes on their face could see Milner is 36, Henderson is getting injury prone, Thiago misses lengthy spells with injury, Ox and Keita both miss chunks of the season (and when they do play they don't exactly pull up many trees), Jones and Elliot are guys to be bedded in gradually. Anyone who thinks Klopp was ok with losing Gini (our only option who was almost guaranteed to be available) is kidding themselves.

    Liverpool fans bemoaned this at end of the window by looking for competition in our midfield/attack, for some this was akin to wanting the club to be a Chelsea/City/PSG in the transfer market, and people called treason for dissenting voices questioning it. We seem to gamble and roll the dice like this most seasons and hope for the best. Defence last season, midfield this season, next season it will no doubt be the attack that gets hit hard.

    Its just a shame we have a top class manager, and we have allowed rivals to gain ground on us when we could have put a bit of daylight between us and the rest. Don't forget aswell that full stadiums, tv money etc. will mean money in our coffers but also more in the coffers of clubs we will be looking to buy from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,931 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It would be interesting to see where the majority of goals scored and chances created against the team this season are coming from.

    It might be recency bias however it seems teams are over loading our right back position and getting there shots off at that post from frees, corners and crosses.


    I wouldn't put the blame totally on TAA as the coaching should be seeing this and coming up with a way to defend against it even if that means taking Trent off during a game and putting on a specialist right back when it becomes obvious that the opposition is targeting TAA and it's working,



  • Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    Exactly, TAA'a attacking outlet outweighs his defensive frailty, which is apparent in fairness. Its definitely a system issue. Would like to see a horses for courses approach from time to time, sometimes it would be nice to throw in a more defensive minded full back against the better sides just to solidify us.

    To me this team doesn't seem capable of sitting in and keeping things tight, getting a clean sheet first and foremost. Loyalty to certain players who are out of form could be an issue too, Robertson has been off the boil lately (understandable he has played so many games), Tsimikas should be given a run. I'd also play Origi in some games like this, with Salah and Jota/Mane either side of him.

    We struggle when teams concede the wide areas to us when we attack, they flood their box and invite us to whip in crosses safe in the knowledge we don't have anyone in our attack who is a real threat in the air. And when teams do employ these tactics our lack of guile in midfield is very apparent.

    Moyes got it right, no messing about playing out from the back, hit the right wing with long balls from the back (puts TAA under pressure, but also doesn't allow or attackers to press and transition turnovers into goalscoring opportunities). We are opportunists in attack, when we smell blood (mistakes) we punish. But every now and again some teams don't make these errors and we struggle to fashion chances ourselves and make it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,843 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The issues with the right side seems to come form a number of things ,

    There's Trent but also Matip who as brilliant as he is doe not have that much pace, If you play balls behind Robbo VVD normally gets across to cover for him Matip does not, For example for there first goal the ball was played in behind Trent & it was VVD who got to Antoino and put it out for a corner where was Matip as it was his side,

    The season we won the league Gomez played the majority of games & his speed nullified that issue, the issue putting Gomez back in now is that he always has huge issues with the line for the first few games back in & we cant afford to lose or draw to Arsenal next up ,

    I know i keep saying it but at times having 3 CB would also help secure that are behind Trent ,It would also give us an extra man to deal with the through balls on counter attacks, Again just in certain away games,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,843 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    oh props to Origi who not only scored but actually played well when he came on ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman




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    It's on Klopp. We were playing a high line and had our fullbacks attacking. Quick runners were then able to exploit easy enough.

    These things happen. Not often thankfully.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the club are waiting a year to get the right man in midfield. Time will tell but they've shown they will wait for the right player to the short term detriment of the team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,111 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    A somewhat alternative viewpoint to the Monday Meltdown.

    I think Liverpool have come a bit stuck lately playing teams who are in good form at the time of the game. We caught Brentford right in the middle of their best form of the season, but they have lost every game since. West Ham are flying now and we caught them in top form also. But, thanks football! And you would think that while this is slightly unlucky at the timing at playing some clubs in form, these things should balance out soon- eg playing Leeds / Palace when we did compared to when we played West Ham / Brentford etc.

    Chelsea & Man City seemed to have played Arsenal at their worst, why we will be playing Arsenal coming off the back of some very impressive form.

    Man City & Liverpool both embarrassed Man Utd at home while they have Ole as manager and are in bad form. Will an Utd catch Chelsa them if they somehow have a turnaround in form? Hopefully. Maybe United nick a win there somehow.

    I do have some optimism still, given that we have played somewhat tougher fixtures over the last month or so, and are still within touching distance of top spot.

    The last few weeks, Liverpool have been playing teams who are in the top half of the table at least, and 4 teams who started the day in the top 6. Compare that to Chelsea who have played the teams who started the day in 17,18,19,20 position in the last 5 games.


    Hopefully the swing in fixtures from GW13-17 (Southampton, Everton, Wolves, Villa, Newcastle) can yield a somewhat more positive return in points. The CL games will offer a chance to rotate in some positions and keep players fresh too.I think that is the period where we have to start winning a lot of games and get back to level with top spot, especially before the AFCON.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,044 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Milner will be off the wage budget next year too most likely, as will probably one other midfielder if the club can find a buyer.

    Also have to remember the wage budget generally increasing over the past few months with the spate of new contracts handed out, and Mo’s impending one too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Trent is doing as instructed, he must be, or he'd be dropped. So there is an onus on the tactics covering for what he's being asked to do. Admittedly there are some examples of bad defending. But generally speaking it looks more like tactics rather than Trent doing his own thing.


    Yesterday some of his positioning was curious, he was very central, not hugging the touchline at all. Hard to understand why he was asked to do that. Looked like we needed width, and only had that option down our left side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,843 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Klopp said something very telling after, he said at 1-1 we where not patient enough & it cost us,

    I think he is referring to Fabhino trying to force the ball into Mane centrally which lead to the second goal , Because as your rightly say Trent is asked to take up a higher position & because of that our CB & Fabhino in particular have to be very careful not to give away a short pass centrally which leads to exactly what happened in us being caught out, A long ball going astray is ok but not a short one especially centrally your asking for trouble,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,931 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Kuyt seems to be in really big legal trouble in Holland he is being questioned about gambling large amounts of money on an illegal gambling site and is also being questioned with Wesley Sneijder about his relationship with the website and the major drug cartel behind it. Sneijder's family have been threatened by those behind the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,843 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    In recent weeks we have seen this a lot (when Fab is fit) and it's Hendo ending up high & right,

    I first noticed it in the Porto away game, I was thinking what the hell is Hendo doing but it was an obvious ploy as it kept occurring ,

    I guess the plan is to make it so teams who gameplan in stopping Trent wide have to reshuffle mid game,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,296 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Chelsea V Liverpool game will see the return of fans officially allowed to stand in the Premier league with the safe standing trial starting then.



    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,111 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    It's definitely a predetermined tactic to move Trent into those central positions like yesterday. It was happening earlier in the season too with Elliot, and sometimes Salah, staying wide hugging the touchline with Trent playing central instead.

    If it wasn't and Trent was doing it himself, Klopp would have no problem giving him an earful or even hooking him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,524 ✭✭✭joe123


    Hey all, it looks as if the old soccer tickets forum has disappeared.

    A friend of mine is looking to get himself 4 tickets - this includes 2 for his two young lads (7 to 9 years old)

    Where is the best place he could go to try get hold of tickets? My own experience in the past was a nightmare when using the members portal so honestly not sure what to tell him. He doesnt mind what game but wold love to bring them over.

    He was looking footballticketnet.com but Im not sure if thats a legit site or not (legit as in how legit you can be when its not through the official club) Anyone use that site before without issues?

    Any recommendations would be great - he also realises hel have to pay a bit more as its not going direct through the club.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    West Ham almost had a hat trick of goals from corners yesterday. I had forgot that Dawson hit the bar from a corner as well. We really were all at sea defending their set pieces. You have to credit the West Ham delivery as well. Every ball was right into the danger zone. They weren't hitting the first defender or anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,491 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    We lost the game not because we were weak, or worse than WH, We lost it because they has 3 lousy shots on target, and Alisson pretty much fcked up on all of them. Then we scored two great goals, and Mane missed two great chances.

    Alisson had a bad day at the office, but the team had 70% possession, 16 shots, 5 on target, and Mane missing sitter to add to that.

    There was not a lot wrong, WH should have had a man sent off, and that first goal was a foul on Alisson, a weak foul, but a foul, there was contact, an elbow to his arm that stopped him punching or redirecting the ball.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,114 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The first goal was absolutely not a foul and the last goal was not Alison's fault either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,843 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,491 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Last goal to be was so obvious, they guy was going to win the header, and direct it right at you, no guessing required. DeGea is good at stopping things at point blank, as it's so obvious you can commit early, I thought he should have saved it.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,114 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Zouma had a free powerful header about 2 yards out, after the ball had come over Alison's head. If a keeper saves that he's very lucky.

    Blame lies with Mane, he just let Zouma run off him.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The back sections in the Kop have been standing since the first game of the season as the rails have been in place. Unofficially I guess.



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    BTW, it's far safer. The amount of people I've seen land in the row below after a goal down the years has been crazy. Not possible now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    My opinion on the game is that first of all West Ham are a very well organised team particularly without the ball. They were very compact and knew they had enough height to bat away any crosses from us so they could give us space out wide. That's why I think we struggled to get Salah in to the game. They certainly dominated us physically. I didn't like to see them have their way with us at set pieces.

    Alisson is poor for the first goal. Yes we can argue that contact like that sometimes results in a free kick for the keeper but it is always soft and never consistently given. In his defence West Ham put players in and around him which we should have handled better. Second goal Bowen shouldn't get away without being tackled. Lot's of opportunities to do so before he played the pass. Alisson should have saved it also. Third goal I can't blame Alisson here. Nobody goes with Zouma who ends up with a free header and Trent for some reason is backpedalling away from that area. Poor all round. It is a worry this season that we are uncharacteristically giving up these types of goals. We don't seem to be able to tighten up and see out a result. That's the difference between us this season and the season we won it.

    Personnel wise I would give Tsimikas a run. Robertson's delivery was particularly poor yesterday. Thought Jota and Mane were poor also. It is a pity Bobby is injured. In saying that Origi had a great cameo. Excellent finish for his goal. Should we be using him more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,931 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Yeah I’ve taken a few spills in there over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭.red.


    I hear this all the time and think you could be right.

    We're standing still by doing it tho. This team could have 2/3/4 Premierships and a handful of European cups but could end up with just one of each due to penny pinching.

    Honestly, if I was Salah I'd be thinking I'm the best player in the world and I want to win everything. For all the individual awards he'll get, he'll also want a bag full of titles and the way the club is being run has already hindered that, and will again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,491 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Praising WH seems to be the vibe, as they are so so good, that's why we lost. WH have conceded 10 at home, Norwich conceded the same at home. WH had only 2 wins at home until yesterday also. It was just their day, every shot the had on target resulted in a goal, we use to be like that with Mignolet in goal, every shot = a goal.

    Alisson and Mane had a bad day. We dominated 70%,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,497 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    I love Matip, but I wonder if Konate may have fared better against the big lads West Ham had in the box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,931 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I'd like to see Matip and Konate paired together for a few games give them the last two Champions League games together.

    We are short at right back, N Williams is the same as TAA better in the opposition half but not as good.

    Part of me would not mind seeing them trying Ox out there.


    -----------------------Kelleher-----------------------

    ?---------Matip----------------Konate------Tsimikas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,365 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Midfield wasn't inspiring, but it wasn't the problem.

    the problem was we couldn't defend corners. it's that simple.

    could we have controlled things a bit better in the middle? Probably yes, but we did ok. the counter attack they scored from could've happened to most teams. the problem was the ball in the box, and specifically into crowded areas. we were all at sea. they scored 2 of their 3 goals from it. it's not good enough, but we won the midifeld battle, lads.

    Declan Rice is getting an awful lot of praise today, and he's getting better all the time, but some of the commentary is making out he was bantering us all over the park, which did not happen. we simply couldn't physically impose ourselves in our own box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    3 corners, none defended properly, 2 goals and a rattled crossbar.

    Midfield is problematic alright, but that wasn't the problem yesterday. A team that concentrates on setpieces and we weren't prepared for them, simple as that.

    It's down to organising, standing up for yourself (ie not getting bullied), and a goalkeeper dealing with crosses under his crossbar.


    As someone said, we can't leaving ourselves in a position where we need 3 goals to win a game. We scored twice yesterday, and Sadio missed 2 sitters, so while midfield isn't perfect, yesterday's problems lay elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,931 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Liverpool issue is they conceded 8 goals of the 11 goals the conceded so far in the league in 3 games and they didn't win any of those games 2 draws and a lose.

    Brighton, Brentford & West Ham were pretty much the same game Liverpool dominate possession, dominate attacking and get pretty much caught out the same way for the goals conceded that comes down to coaching and needing to change the game plan mid game.

    Teams attacking the back post is not down to the lack of players or quality in midfield it a plan to attack Liverpool's weak points which is also two of Liverpool top attacking points the full backs.



    2 against Brighton

    3 against Brentford

    3 against West Ham



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Tbf to Alisson, those challenges are almost always given as a foul! If a player jumped into an opposition player in the middle of the park with a flailing arm while making no contact with the ball, a free would be given and no one would question it! But when it’s a ‘keeper suddenly it’s “soft”




  • Registered Users Posts: 810 ✭✭✭augustus gloop


    Last year that is 100% a foul no questions asked. The biggest problem here is most teams put a small guy between the keeper and attacker to put some space for the keeper to operate. For some reason Allison doesn’t get that.

    for some reason for the longest time Mane gets tasked with marking players which are physically a lot bigger than him. Mane/Zouma is a total mismatch. Happens a lot though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Kenny & Marina are such legends, Kenny is incredible, was a genius on the pitch who won everything there is to win and was one of the best players in the World, then his outstanding managerial accomplishments followed by his Hillsborough support work and years of charity work. Legend doesn’t do him justice.

    https://twitter.com/livhospitals/status/1457721170128740352?s=21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,111 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    The Brighton result is still a worse result for me than Brentford & West Ham.

    2-0 up and comfortable. Threw it away.

    The Brentford & West Ham games, we took an early deficit and had to go chasing the game leaving gaps etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭mormank


    We literally see incidents like this called as free outs week in week out in the premier league. Regardless of whether or not you think it is a foul it is given as one 99% of the time and therefore should either be given as a foul against us or not given in any of the other games. We seem to be the outliers for these kind of decisions far too often. Holgate was sent off against Spurs an hour before cresswell hit hendo's knee with a tackle for a very similar incident and yet we get nothing.

    I can only hope we get stronger as the season progresses cos currently I can't see us being anywhere near a title race come April/May



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    The West Ham player jumped up.. Allison jumped into him.. no foul.

    You can see from the still above that the West Ham player has his feet under him as he jumped up.. Allison has his legs trailing behind him as he jumped up and forward.

    Just not a foul.

    Even Dermot Gallagher agrees.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12463900/ref-watch-dermot-gallagher-disagrees-with-jurgen-klopp-plus-cristiano-ronaldo-and-arsenal-winner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    It's a foul for me, obstruct the keeper first by jumping back into him and make it look like your trying to play the ball and it worked. Antonio said it after the game, their aim was crowd the keeper and it worked not many teams get away with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    No, usually though it's blown as a free that's what I meant by not many teams get away with it, but I still think the first is a jump into Alison to obstruct him, this is after the crowding



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Look at the still posted above and the leg position of the 2 players, one is jumping up and one is jumping forward.

    I don't see how you can see anything else from it... Allison doesn't jump up and throw his legs behind him..... He jumps up and forward into the space already occupied by the West Ham player, hence his legs are trailing behind.


    But if you can somehow see it to be otherwise then fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    why look at still when we have the video


    He clearly jumps back in the first 5 seconds and if you cant see it you may straighten up your monitor 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    I think he walks/jogs backwards then jumps up...

    But great clip to show... Even the commentators (possibly carragher) didn't think it was a foul.

    You got any more sound bites or clips to help prove my point... 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Ikozma


    Its actually hillarius that anyone can say that allison was fouled for that first goal, our defenders and allison need to toughen up abit at corners and set pieces they are all too soft and get bullied an awful lot i think, allison was more worried about the west ham player infront of him then the ball, he wasnt even concentrating on the flight of the ball when it came in which is why he was late getting off the ground to get to the ball



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,044 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    id imagine the strongest grounds for a free out are that Ogbonna’s arms block Alisson’s right hand from punching the ball. A keeper’s arms are usually treated the same as an outfield player’s legs - if they’re blocked by someone who doesn’t win the ball, it’s normally a free out.



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