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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers



    He is in a bit of a bind here.

    If anyone asks him to prove anything that he is clearly lying about he cant use the “i wiped my phone excuse” because coveney burned that one already.

    Ryan is full of heavily composted animal waste products.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Opening all premises would have allowed the crowd be distributed across a broader base. Time limits created greater turnover of people within individual premises and resulted in people making multiple sequential bookings in different premises. This was immediately obvious from the moment it was announced and doesn't tally with reducing contacts but it does tally with the repeated pattern of an inability to recognise unintended consequences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Endemic means its commonly found in a region or community. Nothing to do with control or predictable spread, if anything its the opposite, it's generally difficult to control or isolate an endemic disease.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    When you read articles like this, it’s actually amazing the number of positive cases in hospitals are at the numbers they’re at+not higher, considering the appalling conditions in UHG & other busy ‘centre’s of excellence’. Instead of getting on with the construction of the new a&e unit, Donnelly now says it won’t be built until 2026. Yet they can close down businesses & fork out on PUP pretty fast. What an absolute joke.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What it actually said is that an interim solution is being put in place as they are going for a more ambitious long term plan for paediatric and maternity services as well in a new 7 story building



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The key line: "It (construction) is hoped to commence next year."

    Hoped.

    Meanwhile, as you say, the government can make snap decisions that affect livelihoods and create a plethora of mental health issues. Not to mention casually escalating a monstrous national debt for the next generation to pay off, while they swan about in cushy retirement.

    Jesus wept.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,373 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    There should be no unions involved in healthcare.

    Until the unions are obliterated this type of nonsense will continue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    “”Health experts are optimistic that many nations

    have put the worst of the pandemic behind them

    thanks to vaccines and natural exposure, although

    they caution that colder weather and upcoming

    holiday gatherings could increase cases.

    "We think between now and the end of 2022, this

    is the point where we get control over this virus...

    where we can significantly reduce severe disease

    and death,'

    " Maria Van Kerkhove, an

    epidemiologist leading the World Health

    Organization, said.””



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Yea, because the HSE management are such competent people the employees wont need union protection.


    Cop on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,373 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Human Resources will offer the protection required for employees.

    The unions indoctrinate incredibly restricted work practices.

    There was never an efficient workplace in existence that had a union.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Between NOW and end of 2022. Did you miss that bit? Things will be a lot better come spring/summer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Of all the problems in the HSE the unions are nowhere near the top, they are not the cause of any of issues in the HSE.


    They are not perfect, but your argument that human resources will offer protection to employees can be turned around because employees and unions must operate within the relevant legislation also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,373 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The unions are protecting the managers

    Unions are for the employees, HR is for the business

    It doesn't really matter, but from what I've seen throughout my working career is that the union houses are incredibly restrictive working environments



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Un1corn


    Critical hospitalisation rate hit in Bavaria today. All the numbers are red. In Munich they are drafting in the army to try and contact trace and do testing. Lockdown inevitable is my prediction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,065 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Not at all, what you are describing is outbreaks of an endemic disease . Confined to a particular area or region . However they are fairly well controlled with vaccines or medication normally.

    What you mean I think is that you can't eradicate an endemic disease ,or with difficulty .

    This is not confined to any particular region ,climate ,season and is not at all controlled as evidenced by our continued issues with infection . Some serious ,some mild , but until we can be sure it is not spreading through the community , and is no longer causing serious disease also then it may be endemic .


    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2

    We have not reached that stage at all with this . That was my point.

    Explained simply here .. the Dictionary . Endemic vs .Pandemic

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Denmark reintroducing Vaccine passes.


    "Denmark will re-introduce a digital "corona pass" because of a sharp rise in Covid-19 infections, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has said, less than two months after scrapping controls.

    The Epidemic Commission has recommended the government classify the coronavirus as a "socially threatening disease" and reimpose the pass, Ms Frederiksen told journalists.

    "The government will follow this recommendation."

    Ms Frederiksen acknowledged that the return of the pass would make life more difficult for those who were not vaccinated, but added: "That's how I think it should be."

    In Denmark, with a population of 5.8 million, 85.9% of people over the age of 12 have been fully vaccinated."



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,065 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If what Fintan said were true the majority of medical and nursing staff would have walked out and stayed out of the HSE years ago .

    Lawrence has obviously worked a lot longer and knows more about the vagaries of HR than Fintan appears to have .

    The only people/ employees HR look after are themselves,and managers .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,253 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Have you read what the critical rates actually mean ?

    They're essentially bringing in what our vaccine cert is.

    But yeah let's jump straight to lockdown predictions



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,065 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    At the rate boosters are being given we are not going to be in control of this wave of infection till January.

    Nobody is organising the overall rollout it appears. Only 9% immunocompromised have been given shots in the last week.

    These apart from the over 80s are the most likely to end up seriously ill if they get infected .

    Fergal Bowers said tonight that the number done was 52,600 out of an estimated 90,000. They started these in late September or were meant to be , and said it would take 6 weeks

    My son and husband were done by the GP last week .Neither have been contacted by the HSE yet even though they are meant to be on hospital referral lists. We contacted the relevant helplines to inform, but noone has contacted us back as the specialist nurses don't want to take calls about extra doses because it is out of their hands . I don't blame them at all.

    Numerous GPs who were meant to be doing over 70s have opted out because they are not being sent supplies.

    Healthcare workers have still to be done , and under 60 s with chronic conditions have not even been cleared to be started yet by NIAC.

    Stephen Donnelly keeps saying these are "being rolled out in the next few weeks".


    So who is in charge of this extremely slow rollout while infections are climbing .

    I think it is now between the HSE and Donnelly (God save us !).

    Brian McCraith who ran the original rollout has been stepped down as they thought they were managing well and could do without . Damien McCallion who assisted from the HSE appears to be now doing this AND testing which has been hitting multiples of what is was a few weeks ago.

    Boosters are reducing serious illness in the over 80s but until they get a grip on this booster rollout to those who need it most we will continue to be " living on the verge " !



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    The problem with UHG is the consultants and uni. Everyone in the region knows the hospital should have been relocated to merlin park years ago. They like having their rooms just up the road in the cresent and the university is only 200 meters away and god help the poor med/ nursing students / professors if they had to get a bus.

    UHG is a regional “centre of excellence”and a new facility should be built at merlin park as it’s right at the end of the motorway and much more accessible for the region as a whole, as well as half the city. A smaller facility could remain in the current location, and the remainder of the site redeveloped to help with accommodation crisis



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭fits


    As far as I know GPs can see who has been done by the vaccine centres but not vice Versa. The staff in the vaccine centres have been working flat out for months.

    Parents in law seem to be ok. Not out of the woods yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2




  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    I'm more worried about people's civil liberties being continuously taken away than Covid tbh. Real bang of the third reich off Europe at the moment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    That is more accurately Denmark want to reintroduce vaccine passes. They need to pass that through their government which isn't a sure thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Such a BS article, just skims over the case rate in Europe and throws a few quotes in from random hysterics that want restrictions. Cases mean nothing at all, it's the hospital numbers so we can completely ignore this article.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Good luck explaining to a Jewish person how the requirement for you to be vaccinated or recovered in order to eat in a restaurant is of the same nature as the systematic incarceration, forced labour and mass murder of millions of their people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    It may not be the Third Reich as yet, it is certainly laying the foundations to head that way. Society is being segregated & divided - actively encouraged by the Government & media. Propaganda is the ultimate weapon, as it was back then also. People are being encouraged to ‘hate’ and ‘blame’ unvaccinated people. Constant repetition of this across all news channels, well known tactic to get the public to accept this as the ‘norm’. Saw yet another doctor paraded out on the news yesterday to target the ‘unvaccinated’ once again, despite the numbers clearly not adding up and scores of vaccinated people infected & in hospital. This can escalate very quickly, and if you look how the Third Reich functioned, it is the same foundations being laid now. People have lost their humanity and are actively being threatened by the Government over the vaccines. Imagine excluding groups of under 18s from indoor sports, in Ireland in 2021.

    I would also point to Lithuania, who recently have excluded people from buying food, fuel and participating in society if they are unvaccinated. The people here supporting the ‘Covid Cert’ with 92% of the adult population fully vaccinated need to take their heads out of the sand. At this rate, beyond any of their wildest dreams of percentage targets, there should be no need for them whatsoever and will now purely serve as a tool to force needless boosters. Who’s to say in another 6 months, you won’t be forced to get a third, a fourth? Where does this end?



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As long as anyone continues to believe that there is any similarity between unvaccinated people, and Jews & minorities during WW2, they will continue to have zero credibility. I remember smokers trying to make the same claims when they were told they'd have to stand outside to have their smokes.

    The clue is in the continuous attempts to reduce restrictions to near-zero. That's not what fascist authoritarian regimes do.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This is a rerun of the complaints from last April on. The rate in boosters of over 70s will be lower as it's GP-driven but the over 60s should power along via the MVCs. Some GPs we know have not really stepped up all that much. The immunocompromised will be in the middle again unless they were done through MVCs and HCWs is a hospital management issue.

    Post edited by is_that_so on


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