All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

With the covid rates as high as they are, of course "normal" isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, with a persistent bugger of a virus which is mutating and becoming more contagious. The vaccines have proved to be a disappointment, especially now that Delta has become the predominant strain. And so, infection and hospitalisation rates haven't gone down like what we'd hoped. Measures like wearing masks to reduce droplets in the air (it is an airborne disease after all), keeping one's distance from others etc. are hardly revolutionary. Would you be happy to go for surgery in a theatre that hadn't been cleaned and be operated on by people with dirty hands and not wearing masks?

9/11 is a completely different case and I get the distinct impression that if I go down the road of the conflicts in the middle east, you will seize upon these straws like a drowning man holding onto a lifebelt. So let's not go there.

Why would NPHET make promises it can't keep? We're dealing with a moving target here. In an ideal world, Delta wouldn't have come along and buggered up the trajectory along which things were moving. As to where we are in the pandemic, who knows? I don't think anybody actually knows, despite your believe that this is all a grand plan.

America is not in a "state of emergency"

But....

To quote a line you have so often used in here.

This is an Irish site and we are only talking about Ireland.

Brianhere's post is completely debunked.

Terrorism and it's continued threat has been explained to you.

The measures are due to the virus and nothing else, children can understand this, you don't want to because it doesn't complement your fantasies.

This thread is another glowing example of why people dismiss conspiracy theorists. It's always the same paranoia and ignorance, just repackaged for whatever is happening in the world right now.

History is full of pandemics and epidemics. You weren't wearing a mask for no reason before Covid were you? Exactly, so this is bollox.

Has the threat of terrorists bringing down planes disappeared in the intervening 20 years?

where does it say they will be permanent?

I'm not getting any response for my assertion that Covid is a moving target. The virus that presented itself here last March is not the one that's raging here now. And so, we're now dealing with a more contagious strain that the vaccines aren't as effective against. Because things have opened up so much (i.e. not what we had last year and earlier this year) and people are mixing more in social situations, the rates have gone through the roof. No country's way of handling Covid is perfect and you'd think that if there was a grand plan you'd see more uniformity in the response. I'm still not sure what the nefarious intent behind the measures are but you'd think grounding flights and cutting off the internet would be a more effective measure. Not trying to get people to stop giving each other a contagious, airborne virus that spreads when they do what they enjoy the most. Every country is making things up as they go along because that's what happens when you get a virus like Covid. We'd be in a very different place if Delta hadn't come along.

So what turned out to be permanent?

• Do we still have a 2km limit of travel from our homes?
• Do we still have a 5km limit of travel from our homes?
• Are restaurants and pubs and indoor hospitality closed?
• Are clothes shops closed, or any shops?
• Are primary and secondary school students at home distance learning?
• Are colleges shut, with distance learning?
• Are spectators banned from small sporting events?
• Are large sporting events and concerts banned?
• Do you still have to quarantine if you fly to other countries now?
• Are we discouraged from non-essential travel?
• Are there any states currently are on the list for Mandatory Hotel Quarantine?

In your latest post you are obsessing about minor details. Why on earth would you now be concerned that some legislation might be extended to facilitate some fast measures being brought back in if they were needed over the winter?

Your reaction only makes sense if you believe the virus doesn't exist, and that the measures were unnecessary, and that they were simply an exercise in making us 'obedient' to the government. And if you believe that kind of stuff then I think you are disconnected from reality and I can't see what else can be said to help you see sense!