All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Germany's least vaccinated state (Saxony, only 57% uptake) has the highest infection rate

They interviewed an anti-vaxxer

"Germany's anti-vaxxers are furious. Several thousand protested last weekend in Leipzig.

"This is discrimination, and we want to express vehemently that we do not accept this in our society," said Leif Hansen, who represents anti-vax "Bewegung Leipzig" (Leipzig Movement). He doesn't trust the companies that made the vaccine or the authorities who approved it.

"They say the vaccination is ok, that I should give it to my children? Never!" he told me. "I have a feeling that it should never go into my body, and I will fight all I can to prevent it coming into my body."

Paranoia of authority and ignorance. The same as we see in every Covid thread on this forum.

You said you would get back to me and explain why masks would be permanent, you said you would explain the reasons behind the need for people to wear masks from now in, care to elaborate on it now while I have you here?

Cool I will keep replying and pointing out your continued lies misinformation and dishonest behaviour. This will be informative for others reading the form as they will see that you are doing these things and aren't able to address them.

For example you are still trying to deflect to this tangent about me (who you keep claiming you don't reply to) to avoid the question you said you'll answer.

You said you would explain why masks are really going to be permanent "later."

It is now "later" and it looks like you are ignoring the question again.

Why?

“Replying to posters who have you on Ignore is ridiculous. How is that not obvious?”

Not weird at all when it’s to point out lies, deceit, and misinformation. There are other easily influenced people apart from yourself that need protecting from what you say.

It's not for your benefit, you've already made up your mind that some sort of conspiracy you can't detail is happening. You already have a cemented unreasonable belief, which means no amount of reason is going to dislodge that belief.

It's for the benefit of others who may be reading this. Highlighting and addressing your illogical points and views for others, as well as you directly demonstrating how silly your views are.

But you ignore everyone's points. Especially when they are points you can't even attempt to address. Again, to point out a specific example, you still haven't explained why masks will be permanent.

And opinions can be nonsense when they aren't supported by facts, don't make any sense and when their supporters have to lie and engage in dishonest tactics. You have done all of these things. Conspiracy theorists like yourself have been lying constantly throughout this thread.

It is not rational to be believe measures will be permanent when you can't explain any rational reason for why they would be.

It is not rational to tell lies to support this belief.

It is not rational to believe something you know is false.

The misinformation about vaccines is coming entirely from your pals. For example, CQD claimed that the vaccines were "gene therapy" which is a lie. You know it's a lie. You didn't call him out.

This is because conspiracy theorists rarely dare disagree with each other even when they hold completely incompatible beliefs. Acknowledging other people believe silly irrational crap draws uncomfortable comparsions to the silly irrational crap they believe.

And again ignoring all points to go on a tangent.

And also notice how quickly and desperately you're trying to glomb onto someone you think might be more sympathetic to your false claims.

The fact that conspiracy theorist rarely even acknowledge each others claims should tell you something.

Especially when we've shown that compliance with those rules in Ireland is already not 100 percent.

You said you would get back to me and explain why masks would be permanent, you said you would explain the reasons behind the need for people to wear masks from now in, care to elaborate on it now while I have you here?

Hopefully all of them so they go into their echo chambers and don’t disturb society too much.

You say

So what's your alternative? Would you prefer if we hadn't vaccinated the majority, and instead use lockdowns on everyone to control the spread? Or do you think covid doesn't exist at all, and it's all a hoax, and it doesn't cause any harm?

You're talking like there was no pandemic, so I expect it's futile to try to explain reality to you. What scapegoat are you talking about? Is it the unvaccinated? Do you think it's not true that the unvaccinated are at greater risk of needing hospitalisation and ICU care, and so are increasing the burden on the health service, and also carry a higher risk of spreading the virus? In that case, what is wrong with minimising the risk to the unvaccinated, and minimising their risk of passing covid on, by requiring vaccination certs in certain high risk situations?

As regards a "benign illness", do you realise that 700,000 people more than normal died in the US between March 2020 and June 2021. I wonder why all those extra people died? Do you call that a benign illness? One reason why so many in the US died was misinformation which caused many people to ignore restrictions as they didn't believe the virus was real (a standpoint promoted by their previous president). That gross misinformation that originates in the US is another virus that has spread here, unfortunately.

Try being less an ignorant ballix. You don't have to go around telling people they're saying stupid thing because their opinion is different.

We were told blatant lies from day one about covid, or if you want to be charitable, people in power said words that turned out to be completely wrong when they hadn't a bulls notion if those words were in fact true.

The worse lie was : stay at home, don't go out to a forest park or beach for a walk, while you could eat takeaway fast food and alcohol. Damaging people's short term physical health and long term mental health.

Anyway, to the people employed full time by fine Gael to browbeat other about a CONSPIRACY thread, good luck to ye, ye are toxic. People don't continually reply to ye cos they have different jobs and lives to get on with. Ye can enjoy your echo chamber and be delighted in your smugness that some others on here are stupid, but I have nothing but the strongest of contempt for some of ye lot

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I never agreed to be locked into a 2km range of my house and it's was and will forever be a crime against humanity by our dear leaders. I will never forgive. The worse is for kids and particularly teenagers who so far have lost 2 years of their lives for a miniscule gain, at best, IMO. Enjoy slapping eachother on the back. I'll always be disgusted and livid about the last 2 years, glad you people are so at ease with it.

I'm busy tomorrow and the day after and so on. So good luck with flinging abuse, I won't be reading, life's too short. Hopefully some of ye will think about what yer behaviour and beliefs. Most of these restrictions are criminal, but I guess it's ok for the government to so what they want!

alternative : manage it better , more focus on healthcare for everybody instead of destroying many aspects of our society.

The majority wanted to be vaccinated -why would you think I would prevent somebody wanting a vaccination to take one? And finally an odd question - have I ever event hinted that covid didn't exist? really?

The unvaccinated are being scapegoated - there is no doubt about it. They should have the choice over what goes into their bodies and if they want to risk it then so be it. Morre power to them. The stats from the government showing that ICU is full on non-vaxx - they don't say this anymore btw- was a HSE report issued in Oct 2021 - ranging from April 2021 to beginning of Oct 2021 . You do know that we only hit 50% full vaxxed on the 21st july - I know you know that date cos who wouldn't. So blaming the 10% for data that was gathered when the unvaxxed were a majority is crap. lies.

your concern for the unvaxxed is touching but you are trying to control what risks they take or don't. that's control beyond reason. The people who want vaccine protection are now well protected - nobody is left unvaccinated unless by choice. So I don't buy your point.

if you really had concern about overwhelming the health system you'd ban alcohol ,smokes and force the fat into fatloss camps. but you don't advocate that why? maybe cos it's an abhorrent abuse of human rights . you know doing that would reduce the risk of serious covid too. You want to champion that approach not once during this , has the irish state advocated being healthier and the array of proven helps such as vitamin d and the elephant in the room - being less fat.

as for america - the deaths and icu cases (was it 96% of them??) were of people who are already sick with 4 comorbidities (I'll concede covid19 taught me that word along with other words I'd rather forget) - that's 4 serious illnesses. those people weren't in good nick - regular illness more risk to the very unhealthy ...it may shock you but that's nature at work ..been like that forever.

Not to mention - these are all deaths with covid not death from covid - which is hugely inflating the death figures.

sure covid exists - why you think I would deny it? but I don't know why we gotta hide away in fear (and plenty of anger too weirdly - "in it together" is long forgotten) from something with such a high survival rate.

Most people in bad nick are that way cos they live unhealthy lives - They can't hold court at the bar 5 times a week then cry that I'm putting THEIR health at risk. or maybe the last 20months has proven they can which is tragic.