Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Safer not to reply, i don't want to end up in court

Probably good advice anyway

2,975 cases today.

No details on the number of false positives provided.

Think it was said one time that it was 0.2 per cent false positive rate for pcr.

The certs don't bother me, just a fact of life at the moment and I am living that life . Going out , and family occasions .

Same with vaccines @astrofool , know of very few HCWs who aren't happy to be getting them and boosters, and those that aren't would not be in areas dealing face in with patients now. Unions have come down on the side of vaccines .

Its caused some upset amongst a few people but tbh most are thinking of the risks to their families and their patients in not getting vaccinated so no choice really there .

I would be annoyed if people who were not at risk were told to take a booster that they didn't want . Why do you think you will have to, @[Deleted User] ? And @CruelSummer

I have heard nothing about this except some reporting on here from publications that are not worth the paper they are written on.

So far this is conjecture and as NIAC are so slow about advising boosters for those at risk I think people are getting wound up about Covid certs needing triple vaccination unnecessarily.

But while it is not the same for me ,I get your post and I am very aware that some posters, seem to genuinely be alarmed about 'the slippery slope ' of regulations becoming normal .

I have not as I said seen any evidence that Covid passes are here to stay or will be extended to include boosters.

Other countries are not Ireland, as we all know :)

Some countries are facing different bissues to us as regards their numbers of unvaccinated getting ill.

This is why they are bringing in such severe measures.

@CruelSummer You deny that unvaccinated people are causing issues in the health services all over the world as they are contracting Covid and becoming sick and requiring more beds and resources than the vaccinated population despite evidence to the contrary. I have seen numerous posts here addressing this to you and yet you keep posting that you have not seen any evidence!

You then make claims that posters are blaming different groups, and make assumptions about our political beliefs, trying to shame posters into not posting anything you disagree with.

No blame, just fact. No shame in stating the facts

I have qualified why some might be unvaccinated, in my posts. I am done with that as you ignore anything reasonable I or other posters say in your quest for sensational and populist posts.

Are you trying to shut down friendly debate on this thread with these posts claiming every body who is in favour of boosters or Covid passes is also in favour of extreme government restrictions?

I look after all my patients with the same care and attention regardless of vaccination status, but I would be lying if I said that that status doesn't make a big difference to my patient's condition, and is affecting people 's susceptibility many times more even than underlying conditions.

It is also not an option to ignore it and say nothing, ( which would be easier for me here ) as it is such a high risk for people, but maybe you and others think I should keep my mouth shut as it is an uncomfortable to hear ?

On the subject of extreme restrictions, never mind France, Singapore is also starting to restrict health care provision on the basis of vaccination as their ICUs are 50% full now with unvaccinated Covid patients.

That is not something I could have ever imagined would happen and definitely not here, but I get that this progression is becoming a real worry for everyone.

It is for me too but as I have said I don't see evidence as yet (unless we are now taking a few posters opinions as evidence) that that is what will happen here.

As you correctly point out we have an excellent vaccination record and as long as that is working we should not need to go down that very invidious route.

I think as @astrofool said that what is acceptable in times of crisis to save lives and stop the spread of disease , is correct , but we also need an exit plan and a message sent to the government that when that crisis is over, all must be reverted, to pre pandemic normality.

The question is , when is that ? It is becoming increasingly likely that this may drag on , and on , and if so ,what then ? It is also being mooted by immunologists that the vaccine may in fact need to be a triple dose vaccine like so many other vaccines we take now without pause for thought.

I anticipate this is going to be controversial here but let's just wait and see.

It gets intense in here sometimes because so many of us have had rows and arguments over so many issues, I know, myself included, and have taken sides .

At the end of the day this is just a discussion on an Internet forum, so let's just try to stay reasonable, and keep a sense of perspective.

Some people will follow his advice I'm sure.

Reading through some of the comments from the briefing, it's really the same messaging as they've been using all along. While people get vexed about another two or three weeks it is a short enough timescale for people to respond in a particular way. As we stand at present the messaging is still focusing on encouraging people to do the right things but it's probably falling on deaf ears for many. It is an awful lot more difficult to do now especially since we're going to have our current set of restrictions until at least February and we may also see some other restrictions reversed in the months to come. 

No, it has always been 80%+ in mild non-hospital cases, even in pre-vaccine days.

The vast majority of people have mild or no symptoms WITHOUT a vaccine

The very same people who will complain about reducing contacts and socialising will be the very same people that will complain if we go into another lockdown before the Christmas.

IMO some suppression of the virus has to happen because I think there is a vulnerable demographic in society. Its the age bracket 60 to 70 who received the AZ vaccine. I think maybe they can pose a threat on the health system yet if they contract the virus and they need to be boostered with pfizers. They won't become eligible for a booster til December. I think there is a real threat on the horizon and I think it's important to follow NHPETs guidance and hopefully that will give us all a balance between life and lockdown.

Yeah so cut back on contacts to avoid a lockdown

Be good boys and girls or else

Many will just have contacts now while they can

Bit like last year when NPHET and Leo were threatening a lockdown in January before the one in October had even begun