Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I've talked a lot about this study in this thread, and it doesn't show what you believe it shows. I'll suggest reading it rather than me reiterating, but in short, vaccinated people are as at risk from vaccinated people than from unvaccinated people.

Also, just to repeat the point, the vaccines were never approved on the basis of stopping the spread of COVID-19, but only on the progression of sars-cov-2 infection to COVID-19.

Maybe you can explain to me the science and reasoning behind if I pay to stay in hotel I can eat and drink for as long as I want ? As an unvaccinated citizen I’ve done this a few times already this year.

It's always been a personal choice. There are 5Cs in the explanation of why not and they are -

Confidence, complacency, convenience (or constraints), risk calculation, and collective responsibility

People don't trust you and never will. Hence why the dial has stopped at 92% and won't move.

The only option now is to run this country like a colony, or not

Honestly, outside of our political elite, the zealots are few. Go around the nation; to pubs, town squares, talk to the people, and you'll quickly find that the tyrants are a very small minority. The internet always has an over abundance of these types, as it's given a voice to the "voiceless", the type of people who no one listened to for the majority of human history. The modern world shows us everyday why these people were not to be listened to.

It says that the vaccine does little in terms of transmission. Its protectiveness is that of reducing severity of disease.

Your post isn't the "gotcha" you think it is lol

You should look at the data tables instead of the text. It's written confusingly, and as such you're pasting text that goes against your point. E.g. you pasted this to prove your point:

"Vaccine effectiveness against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts is stronger than to vaccinated household contacts", i.e. like I said, the vaccinated are as/more at risk from vaccinated people than unvaccinated people.

So why should unvaccinated people be banned from public indoor spaces?

The "Public Health Emergency" effectively ended in July 2020....once it became clear that Hospital car parks were NOT going to be full of dying patients,and most reasonably healthy adults can survive covid without any medical interventions or chemical assistance.

However,the real "Emergency" was then,and remains now,the skewed monster which is the HSE,and it's long running crusade to reduce the principle of Universal Public Health Care to a mixum gatherum of Public/Private provision with BIG rewards for the Private parts and the leftovers for the Publicly operated section.

What we are now seeing is the culmination of a Public Administration putsch in which a Government of sorts,has decided,on the results of the 2020 "lockdowns,tests & vaccines" experiment to go for broke and cement the "Emergency" elements into ordinary day -to- day Legislation.

Just like NPHET itself,this "Emergency" legislation is no longer required,as the pre-existing systems are prefectly capable of dealing with the effects of this Virus.

What we are now facing is a hi-jacking of long established Democratic principles,for some.as yet unclear motives.

It is Political crookery of the very highest order. ☣️

Yesterday government said they will be looking for legislation how they can get the temporary legislation in a new piece. This new piece will not be temporary. They will likely do what Tony tells them to do and put Gyms and Hairdressers into it.

Bookmark this one as the next "conspiracy theory that comes true".

NPHET have been banging on for the last week about reducing contacts. Not seeing as many people as normal etc. Donnelly mentioned not going to Nightclubs 3-4 times a week.

The absolute dream and I mean the Holy Grail of Tony Holohan is to crack down on Binge Drinking. Covid/No Covid, that is his dream. Don't be surprised if the Hospitality Passes get restricted to X times per week/month. All to stop the spread of the virus of course 😁

The paper has this conclusion (full text above):

floorpie is honing in on the Secondary Attack Rate (SAR) number above which is 11% for vaccinated vs 12% unvaccinated (a 10% difference which is within the margin for error, I think I have the order right) in that scenario.

So depending if you trust the authors of the paper or look at that one data point will change the conclusion of the paper.

That was also a quote specific to the AZ vaccine (which still reduces severe disease) the numbers are different for Pfizer.

There will also be a booster available to everyone who got AZ to get a mRNA booster (is it an or a before mRNA?).

So only some unvaccinated people infuriate you?