Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

The "Public Health Emergency" effectively ended in July 2020....once it became clear that Hospital car parks were NOT going to be full of dying patients,and most reasonably healthy adults can survive covid without any medical interventions or chemical assistance.

However,the real "Emergency" was then,and remains now,the skewed monster which is the HSE,and it's long running crusade to reduce the principle of Universal Public Health Care to a mixum gatherum of Public/Private provision with BIG rewards for the Private parts and the leftovers for the Publicly operated section.

What we are now seeing is the culmination of a Public Administration putsch in which a Government of sorts,has decided,on the results of the 2020 "lockdowns,tests & vaccines" experiment to go for broke and cement the "Emergency" elements into ordinary day -to- day Legislation.

Just like NPHET itself,this "Emergency" legislation is no longer required,as the pre-existing systems are prefectly capable of dealing with the effects of this Virus.

What we are now facing is a hi-jacking of long established Democratic principles,for some.as yet unclear motives.

It is Political crookery of the very highest order. ☣️

Yesterday government said they will be looking for legislation how they can get the temporary legislation in a new piece. This new piece will not be temporary. They will likely do what Tony tells them to do and put Gyms and Hairdressers into it.

Bookmark this one as the next "conspiracy theory that comes true".

NPHET have been banging on for the last week about reducing contacts. Not seeing as many people as normal etc. Donnelly mentioned not going to Nightclubs 3-4 times a week.

The absolute dream and I mean the Holy Grail of Tony Holohan is to crack down on Binge Drinking. Covid/No Covid, that is his dream. Don't be surprised if the Hospitality Passes get restricted to X times per week/month. All to stop the spread of the virus of course 😁

The paper has this conclusion (full text above):

floorpie is honing in on the Secondary Attack Rate (SAR) number above which is 11% for vaccinated vs 12% unvaccinated (a 10% difference which is within the margin for error, I think I have the order right) in that scenario.

So depending if you trust the authors of the paper or look at that one data point will change the conclusion of the paper.

That was also a quote specific to the AZ vaccine (which still reduces severe disease) the numbers are different for Pfizer.

There will also be a booster available to everyone who got AZ to get a mRNA booster (is it an or a before mRNA?).

So only some unvaccinated people infuriate you?

"We" are not losing anything !

What we are seeing however,is a senior medical personage,who has,for many years,been concerned at Irish drinking and socialising habits.

What Covid brought,was an opportunity to be empowered and encouraged to expand these "Concerns" into actual Legally enforcable Compulsions on a,previously free population,to follow his dictats or suffer Social & Legal consequences.

One cannot easily dismiss the views of a Chief Medical Officer on medical issues,and I would not normally suggest that,however it has,for some time past,been noticeable that the CMO's opinions and line of thought have taken on a trajectory which appears to suggest he has issues around the broader concept of Human Interaction,almost as if he is advocating that Humans retreat into an isolationist way of life.

Personally,I see a man who's job may have become a burden which has become too heavy,and I would see some sense in him voluntarily stepping back from what is obviously causing him personal unease and perhaps distress.

It may be worth bearing in mind,that this CMO has some considerable track-record on issues surrounding mass Vaccination and more particularly,the role played by Major Pharmacutical Companies operating under Publicly Funded Immunities.

https://www.thejournal.ie/government-official-defends-indemnity-for-swine-flue-vaccine-makers-423613-Apr2012/

Perhaps of most importance at this time is this paragraph from the Blackwell case.

If ever the phrase Caveat Emptor was relevant,perhaps it is now.

High protection against severe disease and death (that doesn't seem to wane that much at all) reduced transmission rates that do wane as antibody count decreases (similar to natural immunity but more predictable).

You define how useful they are.

Couple of cases in one of the lad's classes. Mostly very mild symptoms. Parents WhatsApp group alight with certain mothers wanting the school closed.

Why can't they just keep their own kids at home? Why the compulsion to enforce the same on everyone else?

Maybe it's a fear of not doing something in a group. I don't know.

Did you tell them to cop on?

Said our lads are grand and they'll be in school tomorrow according to current HSE guidelines

Oh dear. You have a really weird obsession with Holohan and NPHET. Now you're making up quotes under the guise of 'humour'...

While I agree that getting above 90% of adults is a lot of hard work (and this group are often very very set in their ways), vaccines also protect everyone around you to various degrees, that's kind of the big point of vaccines.

A COVID pill just protects you however (and is way more expensive at the moment).

How do you make that one up?

It appears that the countries with highest vaccination rates also have the highest incidences atm. We also learned that vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated and can spread it too.

On that account I'm afraid the blackmail thing that worked so well for masks (we're doing it for everyone else) isn't really going to work here. Or shouldn't I should say cos our 'betters' try anyway. And it appears its working, a lot of people are just not able to spot the contradiction.

If I wasn't reading this thread, I wouldn't have the slightest clue what Holohan/NPHET is coming out with. He's living rent free in some poster's heads.

Love this headline. "No timeline for phasing ourselves out". These lads need a serious reality check.

In England, Infection rates per 100,000 are higher in vaccinated people in all age groups over 30. For some reason, they stopped publishing these graphs after September, but according to the data, the gap is widening. At this point, in England, vaccinated people are more likely to become infected than unvaccinated. Whats behind this?

The black bar is vaccinated btw.

They gave their dog whistle to their NPHET Government to extend the vaccine pass to Gyms and Hairdressers, and said they have no plans to disband