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Rhododendron clippings

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  • 10-11-2021 12:36pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭


    Hi,


    I have a lot of wild rhododendron growing in my locality.


    Is it possible to grow from clippings in a few pots at home??


    Thanks from a novice gardener!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,686 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They're normally done from layering but I have had some success with cuttings.

    Decent instructions here.

    How to take a cutting from a rhododendron - step by step | Pyracantha.co.uk

    Too late for this year though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭dazza161989


    Thanks for that info Jim very helpful.


    When in your opinion would be the best time to plant them??


    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,686 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭neenam


    Seems as though you're referring to Rhododendron ponticum.

    It's a highly invasive plant that has a detrimental impact on native biodiversity - they form dense thickets, preventing the growth of understory vegetation, plant diseases (eg. sudden oak death), toxic to animals and invertebrates. Not to mention how difficult it is to eradicate once it's established somewhere. You need only look at Killarney Park, the Vee Valley, Snowdonia national park, etc. to see how it has taken over those places.

    Plants shouldn't ever be taken from the wild, that goes for non-native species as well. If you really want something like a R. ponticum, go for a hybrid or garden cultivar alternative, or native shrubbery like guelder rose, alder buckthorn, etc.






  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭dazza161989


    I was unaware that they are toxic to animals.


    With the family dog spending a lot of time in our garden I will be having a rethink about what to plant. Thanks for the info



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,686 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I have a large area of rhododendron and have had dogs for forty years without any incident. If you avoided every plant listed as toxic you'd pave the entire garden.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    R. ponticum is also on the Third Schedule EU Invasive Species list, these are the really bad invasives. Lots of laws and regulations governing these species, the specific idea outlined in OP may not be illegal, I am not too sure, but it is highly inadvisable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,686 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    There are no restrictions whatsoever on growing it in a garden.



  • Posts: 3,505 [Deleted User]


    I'd still echo that its highly inadvisable. It's leaves are toxic to herbivores, nectar is toxic to pollinators, carries a water mould that will attack nearby trees, and if not consistently tended to it spreads wildly and forms a dense undergrowth that inhibits herbaceous growth beneath it.

    Maybe this wont be a problem in the OP's garden, but they'd be taking a gamble that it won't find any way to spread elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,686 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The nectar is not toxic to pollinators. Read Pollination of invasive Rhododendron ponticum (Ericaceae) in Ireland by Jane Catherine Stout Botany Department, School of Natural Sciences, Trinity College Dublin, Dublin 2, Ireland 2005. Successful pollination and the variety and frequency of species visiting is one of the reasons it does so well when left unchecked.

    We've had Rhodos in our gardens for generations without issues other than it being allowed take over in some parks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭neenam


    There is legislation that disproves what you've said. It's under European Communities (Birds and Natural Habitats) Regulations 2011. There's a list of non-native species subject to restrictions under regulations 49 and 50. One of the species in the list is the Rhododendron

    Section 49

    Prohibition on the introduction and dispersal of certain species. The following is extracted from the main body of the Act as published on the NPWS website.

    Section 49 of the act states:

    (2) Save in accordance with a licence granted under paragraph (7), any person who plants,

    disperses, allows or causes to disperse, spreads or otherwise causes to grow in any place

    specified in relation to such plant in the third column of Part 1 of the Third Schedule, any plant

    which is included in Part 1 of the Third

    Schedule, shall be guilty of an offence.

    (3) Subject to paragraph (4), it shall be a defence to a charge of committing an offence under

    paragraph (1) or (2) to prove that the accused took all reasonable steps and exercised all due

    diligence to avoid committing the offence.

    From the same university: Toxic Tastes - Ireland's Bees and Non-Native Rhodendron Nectar 9th November 2015

    Botanists from Trinity College Dublin's School of Natural Sciences have discovered that the nectar from a common, non-native plant, is toxic to some Irish bees. These effects vary based on the species of bee consuming the nectar, but they are lethal to some.


    In the study just published in Functional Ecology, research led by the Trinity botanists with UK collaborators at Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, University of Greenwich, Royal Holloway University of London and Newcastle University shows that its nectar is extremely toxic to native honeybees.


    The nectar contains grayanotoxins, natural plant produced chemicals, which occur in leaves and help rhododendrons avoid being eaten by insects and mammals.

    The study, funded by Science Foundation Ireland and the Irish Research Council, was led by Research Fellow, Dr Erin Jo Tiedeken, and Professor in Botany, Jane Stout, of the School of Natural Sciences in Trinity, with the collaborators from the UK.


    The team fed artificial nectar containing realistic concentrations of grayanotoxins, isolated from the Rhododendron flowers by scientists at Kew, to three economically and ecologically important pollinating bee species to investigate how these nectar toxins impacted native bees. 


    Dr Tiedeken said: “The nectar proved to be extremely toxic to the native Irish honeybee species as it killed individuals just hours after they had consumed even the smallest doses. The nectar also had negative impacts on the foraging behaviour of a native Irish solitary bee species, such that individuals became paralysed after feeding. This research therefore demonstrates that invasive Rhododendron will never provide a viable food resource for bees susceptible to nectar grayanotoxins.” 


    However, the reactions of the honey and solitary bees to nectar grayanotoxins were very much in contrast to the response of a native Irish bumblebee species. Native buff-tailed bumblebees were able to consume the nectar with no negative health impacts. Furthermore, even when the bumblebees were weakened by lack of food or parasite infection, eating Rhododendron nectar had no negative effects.

    The project’s chemist, Professor Phil Stevenson, at Kew said: “What we don’t know is how bumblebees cope with this natural toxin and why some other bee species can’t or even why the plant apparently seeks to poison some potentially good pollinators. It may be a mechanism to select specialists that are more effective at pollinating the plant.” 


    As a result, invasive Rhododendron could provide an important, abundant nectar resource for this bumblebee species, especially in the early spring when bumblebee queens are establishing their colonies.


    Professor Stout said: “This study shows that invasive plants don’t have the same effects on all species of bee and that they only provide a new food resource to those that can tolerate their nectar toxins. Furthermore, this work highlights the importance of comparing the susceptibility of multiple species to chemicals in nectar (both natural and synthetic, including pesticides) before making conclusions about the impact of chemicals on pollinators as a whole.” 

    Nectar chemistry modulates the impact of an invasive plant on native pollinators, Tiedeken et al 2016 . Direct interactions between invasive plants and native pollinators: evidence, impacts and approaches, Stout and Tiedeken, 2017.



  • Posts: 3,505 [Deleted User]


    In the post that you quoted, I did say that you might not experience issues in your own garden. My point is that it's irresponsible to spread it as it may spread outside your garden. It's an invasive plant, simple as.

    Prof Stout's paper that you quoted is a 2006 study on the behaviour of pollinators at the site of Rhododendrons. The scope of the paper doesn't include the pharmacological effect of the nectar on the bees.

    As has been noted above by another poster, Prof Stout has been involved in more recent work that does include toxins in nectar. https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/hidden-poison-rhododendron-nectar



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭dazza161989


    I have decided not to proceed with the original idea, not because of fear of it spreading from my garden as the surrounding area is already covered with the plant, but because of its toxicity towards mammals as stated by an earlier poster.


    The idea stemmed from trying to create a nice garden on a practically zero budget.


    Thanks



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