Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I never said that. Although it is interesting coincidence I haven't looked into it enough to determine if that's a legitimate claim. The correlation doesn't prove anything. Doesn't mean it hasn't crossed my mind.

But let's be real, there is an explanation and it's probably a lot more logical than "the anti vaxers had a massive unified change of heart and are now self isolating from the rest of society"

Your idea sounds far more ridiculous to me.

Anecdotally many people in my office who avoided covid prevaccine now have covid.

Rates per 100k aren't affected by denominators

The footnote doesn't actually refer to anything if you look at the asterisks. I suppose it means not to make up percentages based on the absolute number columns.

But WOW at the last two columns. Case rates are almost double amongst vaccinated, compared to unvaccinated (before a million comments say "there are more vaccinated", these are rates per 100k)

This table gives strong evidence that 1) vaccines are protective for vulnerable age groups, 2) young people don't need them, 3) this is a pandemic of the vaccinated who are spreading it to a dangerous degree, across all age groups. Covid certs have to go immediately.

In relation to the dangerous spread what do you think should happen, more restrictions?

Protect the vulnerable via vaccines (if they want them), distancing, increased capacity etc, remove all restrictions for everyone else. Well I preferred this 6 months ago, probably too late to do it here now until spring. I think lockdowns will likely be brought back in through Feb.

And just to make sure the authors work isn't used against them, they do provide infection and transmission effectiveness data backed up with studies (where I'm sure the conclusions will also be ignored again):

It's useful data but knowing how it was collected and the biases involved in the collection should be taken as part of the reading of the results otherwise it's disingenuous (as the original poster who posted it was).

They link back to sources for each of the statements being made.

But a lot of those comments are just assumptions.

Healthy people are more like to take the vaccine. Is just bs. The fittest person in my office who runs mountain marathons hasn't taken the vaccine. All the fat arses have.

My point being is they have a table like that and then a subjective comment about the types of people who will be mingling more as being the vaccinated.

Biased and skewed is the words you would use no?

Ah, I get you and partially agree, in Ireland this is called watching the hospitalisation counts and adjusting from there, but you're right that restricting the unvaccinated more is unlikely to help (even if they are an easy target for the government, similar to learner drivers always being targeted for road safety).

This reactive approach is one specific failure in the response to this pandemic imo

Okay so you want to argue the table.

I'll take 10 times more people who will never get that sick from covid under 18 than I would 2 times more people who will get sick after getting vaccinated.

So you would argue that the table is correct and more vaccinated people above 18 are catching covid.

Where do you want to go from here?

The author clearly has a bias towards getting vaccinated given the laundry list of reasons why their table looks a bit weird

Authors comments aren't evidence. That's their opinion which unless I'm mistaken is not linked to further sources proving unvaccinated people are not health conscious

Again. Nonsense.