Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

Options
13703713733753761190

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Shows how short the memories of some can be unfortunately and how cruel this sport is.

    Sure Max Deegan and Doris were neck and neck in terms of performance prior to Deegan doing his ACL



  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭phily2002


    Good chance without the injury he'd be our starting 7. He was getting better and better each game. Hopefully he's not long getting back up to speed when he returns



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Just occurred to me that Sheehan will have that horrid purple jersey for his first cap.

    I think it's fair to Q's the reasoning for Sheehan selection ahead of Herring. Although i would pick him because of his obvious potential.

    But nobody can say with any certainty how good his set-piece really is. e.g. His throwing under pressure

    He is also massive in height for a hooker. Bismark duP was 6'2" and he's the tallest i can think of. Again nobody knows with any degree of certainty how good his scrummaging really is.

    But like Kelleher he had obvious potential from day one.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Maybe, but I don't see it. Compared to someone like Marchand he looks slight.

    Those numbers are all made up anyway. Dane Coles is listed at 110kg and he's hardly a big hooker. Google reckons Garry Ringrose is taller and heavier than Robbie Henshaw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Dane Coles is a big hooker

    He's played no.8 for Wellington

    Marchand might look bulkier but that's because he's only 5'11.

    Sheehan is objectively big for a hooker.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭phily2002


    Deegan was another who was playing quality, still think he has the potential to be the best 8. Hopefully he gets a run of games but going to be difficult for him with the new format



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Ah no mate, you need to get a proper look at him if you're considering him anything other than an extremely athletic specimen.

    The kid is a monster



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Yeah it's ridiculous, he's only like half the size.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    It could be so much worse than a purple jersey though.......


    Craig Casey had that awful haircut on his debut. Poor fella, that's what all the pictures will be.


    On a more serious note having family around on your debut is something a few of the lads missed out on and my heart genuinely does go out to them



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,590 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭phily2002


    Hendo in for Beirne, Herring to bench



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 14 caps

    14. Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 26 caps

    13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 35 caps

    12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 32 caps

    11. James Lowe (Leinster) 7 caps

    10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 100 caps CAPTAIN

    9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 11 caps

    1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

    2. Ronan Kelleher (Leinster/Lansdowne) 14 caps

    3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 50 caps

    4. Iain Henderson (Ulster/Academy) 64 caps

    5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

    6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 10 caps

    7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 33 caps

    8. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 21 caps

    Replacements 

    16. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 22 caps

    17. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 110 caps

    18. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 17 caps

    19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 23 caps

    20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 77 caps

    21. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 90 caps

    22. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 25 caps

    23. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 94 caps



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Ireland Team & Replacements (v New Zealand, Autumn Nations Series, Saturday, November 13, 3:15 pm)

    15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 14 caps

    14. Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 26 caps

    13. Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 35 caps

    12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 32 caps

    11. James Lowe (Leinster) 7 caps

    10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 100 caps CAPTAIN

    9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 11 caps

    1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

    2. Ronan Kelleher (Leinster/Lansdowne) 14 caps

    3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 50 caps

    4. Iain Henderson (Ulster/Academy) 64 caps

    5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 38 caps

    6. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary’s College) 10 caps

    7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 33 caps

    8. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 21 caps

    Replacements 

    16. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 22 caps

    17. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 110 caps

    18. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 17 caps

    19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 23 caps

    20. Peter O’Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 77 caps

    21. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 90 caps

    22. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 25 caps

    23. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 94 caps



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Tadhg Beirne unluckiest to miss out for me, he hasn't done much wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Beirne was not the one I saw benching. Tough call.

    But some player to bring on.

    Letsfuckinggo!!!!!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I think in terms of athleticism that's probably the best pack we've had in a good few years.

    Backs are what I expected. Really could have done with Henshaw being fit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Tadhg Beirne's dropping is a bit of a baffling one.

    But Faz made some questionable selections last week and got them all right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    That’s a good starting XV but outside of Beirne I don’t see that bench having much of an impact. We reverted to type a fair bit when they came on last week and I just don’t see those players bringing a tonne of energy to the game. Hopefully this time next year we’ll have the likes of Sheehan, Coombes/Connors and Stockdale/Addison/Larmour in there. And with any luck we might see one of our other options at 10 kick on too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    We've three very good second rows so for Beirne himself it's harsh but I don't think it's a bad selection or anything, you could pick any 2 of the 3.


    If we go behind, it is not a bench to chase the game. So we need to keep in touch with them no matter what imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    The Hardest job. Picking the best players who are up to the task and continually building the squad. 10. Burns P45. 15. Stockdale P45

    Sounds easy but zero big games to judge Sheehan on. To reiterate, I would have picked him. Farrell has gone with what he knows.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This was the pack for the QF in 2019. There are four changes to it and I think the four are all improvements on what came before. Healy and Best are legends of Irish rugby, but neither were near their physical prime. Best especially was running on fumes by then. Doris is simply a better athlete than PoM. Conan and Stander is a closer one. In terms of physicality and athleticism they're pretty close with.CJ probably shading it. But Conan is the better footballer.


    1. Cian Healy

    2. Rory Best

    3. Tadhg Furlong

    4. Iain Henderson

    5. James Ryan

    6. Peter O’Mahony

    7. Josh van der Flier

    8. CJ Stander



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    Henderson is there as NZ have a much more Physical pack than the Japanese. Good team, would rather Sheehan on bench but can see why he would go with Herring for his throwing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    VDF has hugely added to his game since then too. Our starting pack is certainly a lot better I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Like the team, Henderson is the right call.

    Don't like Herring on the bench mind you but hey ho, he can't get it all right................

    Really looking forward to this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Nothing against Henderson's selection.

    But Beirne is one of our best players and I'd say hes world class. I'd have him at 6.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,071 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm sure Sheehan would love a crack off the All Blacks, but the prudent management call is to mind him for now. We're looking for finishers not replacements and wily old dogs are the ones for that.

    Hard to argue with the XXIII, hope they leave it all out on the pitch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    We have three class second rows, it will horses for courses at times. Yes it is a tough call on Beirne, but equally it’s an tough call to leave Hendo out of any Irish starting 15. It is my first game back at Aviva on Saturday since Six Nations in 2020, as it will be for a lot of people. I hope we have a full house the following week also against Argentina. We can do this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Surprised that Beirne got dropped. Might be an indication that Ireland are going to play it allot tighter.

    Anyone know who was calling the LO v Jap? Ryan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think he was always likely to give way to Henderson, but personally I'd have moved him to six. Then that would be harsh on Doris...



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Would also say van der Flier is a far better player today. He's been off to a flier... Sorry



Advertisement