Lough Erne murder trial: Jury finds McKinney guilty.

political analyst · 21-07-2021 01:22PM #1

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57916004

I had been following this case but I didn't know that the prosecution had said in court that Stephen McKinney had poured bottled water over himself to make it appear that he had tried to rescue Lu Na.

Given the circumstantial nature of the prosecution's evidence, I made no prediction about the jury's verdict. What I find difficult to comprehend is that an Irishman who had married an East Asian woman would seek to control her - given that I believed that any Irishman who committed coercive control (although that offence has not yet been created by law yet in Northern Ireland) would not be attracted to a woman who is of Asian or African ethnicity because I believe that an element of racism is part of a bully of indigenous ethnicity in Western Europe.

21-07-2021 06:31PM

Its hardly racism....sure there enough lads do it to their ethnically irish wives here?

Some people are just cûnts

Yurt2 · 21-07-2021 06:46PM

https://boards.ie/discussion/2058199902/lough-erne-murder-trial-jury-finds-mckinney-guilty

The second paragraph is a bizarre take. I'm not sure we can infer anything about race here.

political analyst · 21-07-2021 07:34PM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643522#Comment_117643522

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643584#Comment_117643584

My point is that one would think that the fact that McKinney lived in China for some time and got married to a Chinese woman and had children with her indicates that he's more enlightened than those Irishmen who are abusive to Irishwomen with whom they have intimate relationships.

Generally, an abusive Irishman is unlikely to be interested in having an intimate relationship with an Asian or African woman.

Yurt2 · 21-07-2021 07:42PM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643771#Comment_117643771

Lol, have you met some of the Irish slumming it in China hoofing Yanjing and Baijiu on the daily? They're not exactly Marco Polo and enlightened isn't the first word to come to mind. Many of them would have peculiar relationships with the native women as well.

political analyst · 21-07-2021 09:42PM

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643804#Comment_117643804

I never heard of a specifically Chinese alcoholic beverage until you mentioned those two brand names.

political analyst · 11-11-2021 05:22PM

The minimum tariff that McKinney must serve before he can apply for parole will be set later this month.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59252240

Jequ0n · 11-11-2021 07:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152191#Comment_118152191

“He said it may have been a spontaneous incident, where McKinney pushed his wife into the water knowing she could not swim and had taken sleeping tablets.”

Sorry, but this is the funniest thing I have heard in a while! Imagine having to pay a defense lawyer for this angle of defense. I am sad to have missed this case until now.

Gatling · 11-11-2021 11:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643771#Comment_117643771

A abusive man or woman would have a relationship with anyone regardless of their race or ethnicity because they need to control ,

There's been plenty of case of abusive relationships involving men of all races and ethnicity against all races and ethnicity.

Talking about a stupid post

Jequ0n · 12-11-2021 04:38AM

I only looked at a few articles, but the prosecution’s accusations of him being abusive and controlling seem to be based on the testimony of a witness who claimed to have an affair with the wife. No evidence of the affair being real either. A strange story with some questionable evidence.

And to comment on the OPs strange race idea: “importing” a foreign partner to your home country can make them easier to be controlled and isolated, as they will have less of a support network. Makes perfect sense. Though I am not saying that this is what the accused did here.

political analyst · 12-11-2021 04:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154103#Comment_118154103

My point is that one would have assumed previously that a Western European man who lives in China for a while and gets married to a Chinese woman is less likely to be controlling because one would have thought that his stay in China would indicate that he was more enlightened, given that philosophy and spirituality have been prominent in China throughout the country's history.

Gatling · 12-11-2021 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156873#Comment_118156873

Wrong .

Anyone man or woman is capable of that behaviour regardless where you have lived and whether rich and highly educated or poor and uneducated

Jequ0n · 12-11-2021 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156873#Comment_118156873

Just in case I am misunderstanding you: are you arguing that people with higher education and more varied life experience are less likely to be abusive than others?

volchitsa · 12-11-2021 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156873#Comment_118156873

I think you could just as easily argue that some Irish (and other western) men who marry a woman from a society where women are traditionally less valued than in the west are doing so precisely because they believe that Asian women will be more easily controlled than mouthy Irish women.

How well that works out for them is probably a different question. RIP to that poor lady. It's horrendous to think any man would do that, and to the mother of his children as well. Even if he no longer loved her, how could he deprive his children of their mother?

political analyst · 12-11-2021 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156921#Comment_118156921

I'm not saying that they cannot be guilty of abuse but I think that they are, in general, less likely to commit abuse. In my opinion, in most cases, the abuser is a man who is of a brutal background, e.g. Fred West. Well-educated perpetrators (e.g. Alan Hawe) are not as numerous.

political analyst · 12-11-2021 09:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154472#Comment_118154472

After the verdict, it was written in the Sunday World that McKinney was obsessed with oral sex and forced his wife to perform oral sex on him and to have sex with other men - so the information couldn't have entirely come from that witness.

Jequ0n · 12-11-2021 09:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118158286#Comment_118158286

That's fine, but what are you basing your opinion on? How do you factor in people who might be better or worse at the game? You don’t seem to realise what defines a suitable person to be used, but I might be wrong here.

please post links on these additional abuse stories in this case as I could not find any.

tara73 · 13-11-2021 09:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118158444#Comment_118158444

quote: ' how do you factor in people who might be better or worse at THE GAME. you don't seem to realise what defines a suitable person to be used'

alright, stirring discussion in the right direction again, eh? so tell us, what defines a suitable person to be used ? what's THEGAME ?

getting the creeps here.

Jequ0n · 13-11-2021 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159784#Comment_118159784

I am not sure what you find offensive about the terms I used? Do you think an abusive person sees their relationship as anything else but a game? That they genuinely love their partner and want them to be happy?

The only creepy thing in this thread is your fixation with my posts.

tara73 · 13-11-2021 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118159959#Comment_118159959

my fixation on your posts, haha, sure. ok, I'm out of this creep stuff, think everybody can see it for what it is.

Jequ0n · 13-11-2021 05:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118161452#Comment_118161452

Maybe one day you will realise the difference between “you” and „everybody”. Bon voyage.

13-11-2021 05:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156873#Comment_118156873

that's a very strange assumption to draw...

John Doe1 · 14-11-2021 04:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058199902/lough-erne-murder-trial-jury-finds-mckinney-guilty

My god, your grasp of the English language is awful.

Also, not everything is racism despite what the woke kiddies would have you believe.

Gatling · 14-11-2021 10:15PM

Definitely a weird thread ,not a lot to do with the actual murder

Hangdogroad · 16-11-2021 04:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156873#Comment_118156873

Jesus wept!

political analyst · 16-11-2021 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118167138#Comment_118167138

There haven't been many cases in the British Isles in which East Asian women were murdered by their white husbands. I haven't heard of any other man on the island of Ireland murdering an East Asian woman he was married to either.