Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Doctors and nurses deal with individual people.

When a person goes to a doctor and says their kidney is sore, the doctor doesn't say 'Oh that's just anecdotal. My 50 other patients don't have any kidney problems'.

You see science versus medicine as-it-is-practised (not theoretical or statistical medical science) are not the same thing and I think posters here are confused. We have insurance underwriters, financiers, and other bureaucrats posting in this thread.

The failure to take an injection which theoretically boosts your immune system is not going to be used as a reason to exclude someone from hospital care by a doctor or nurse. They are dealing with actual people in hospitals - not theoretical categories of people.

Goldengirl who is a nurse understands this. So does raind. Some of you do NOT understand this because you treating an abstraction as if it were an absolute demarcation between different states of health or being.

In terms of 'groups' the division between vaccinated and unvaccinated is mainly a political division. Individually the medical effect will differ from person to person.

Many initially thought the restrictions would end once 'the vulnerable' were vaccinated since is/was a recognition that the need for immune-boosting varies greatly but broadly across different immune profiles.

I don't know anything about that but forgeries could easily serve as an excuse for tougher and more comprehensive electronic ID and surveillance systems.

The passes were supposed to be gone by Oct 22nd anyway and they are past the point of diminishing returns in terms of 'persuading' new people unless they go down the forced umemployment/banning people from food shops route.

In parts of Lithuania it's now impossible for unvaccinated people to go into any food shop.

I don't know how certain people (not naming you 😑😅) manage to dress yourself in the morning.

What's your issue with people choosing to be vaccinated?

Ah here, good night.

She’s just saying that because that’s what everyone else says and she’s been conditioned to spout a few slogans. No independent thought there.

What a ridiculous statement... How is that good to see? Not having covid cert checks is part of the reason we have such high cases

Would more restrictions on your life be "good to see" also?

Come on now, elaborate.

Which people are doing this and what power are they starting to like?

The focus on extending covid certs past hospitality as a fix for our high case numbers baffles me.

I've been out and about into pubs and restaurants a lot over the past few weeks and have never not been asked to show the Covid cert. Anecdotal but everyone I know has had the same experience.

Same with the idea that it's the filthy "AnTi VaXxErS", which are embarrassingly rare in this country, driving case numbers.

It's more of our leaders doing something to be seen to do something. Give it a few more weeks - case numbers will still rise and another scapegoat will be sought. They'll probably somehow still pin it on the few remaining unvaccinated people. Maybe try and insist that we should all show our papers when heading into work / getting on the bus etc.

It's fvcking nightmarish and our loser populous will eat it up as we have done all along.

OK, you clearly don't have a notion here but anyway (if we had the same antibody levels as the UK we'd see the same hospitalisation rates, but we don't, unless you propose magic, you're scientifically wrong there).

Say we ignore the rising case and hospitalisation counts and through sheer idiocy the government agrees with your approach and drops all restrictions.

Let's imagine you were wrong and the hospitals are now at capacity and we have to start turning people away.

Who do you turn away, and do you bring in restrictions and if so, who do you bring them in on? (let's assume that the unvaccinated are 10x more likely to be hospitalised which is an improvement on where we are now).

For restrictions to be dropped that question has to be answered beforehand not afterwards, so have at it, see if you can answer one of the hard questions and not be a pearl clutching hurler from the ditch as I suspect you are, who gets denied treatment and what restrictions would you bring in.

He got vaccinated. He didn't get vaccinated ahead of the queue as he didn't work on the front line and was less risk than others, he waited his turn and got vaccinated as supply allowed.

So you were lying, as usual, but that's what is expected from all of your posts.