The future of the British monarchy after QE?

I'll leave you too, to keep toeing the 'party' line.

Charles is no angel. Look at him (allegedly) fishing for MORE money for his ahem, charities, via yer man Fawcett. Has he not got enough already from his own wealth. He denies all accusations of course. I hear he is a stickler for having his newspapers ironed by a valet before he reads them in the morning, so I'm sure the valets do a lot more besides this nonsense.

However I think what has done Queenie in is the antics of her "Golden Child" Andrew and her protection of him re the allegations surrounding his associations with Geoffrey Epstein.

Oh Lordy. The end is nigh.

Short term I'd say Boris is hoping she does indeed pop her clogs before Christmas as a month of national morning would get them past the shortages of Christmas and allow him shelve the trade war with the EU until the new year.

Long term Charles will slim down the monarchy big time. All the expensive family hangers on will be cut off. He s started it already with Major Hewitt's young fella being banished to the US. He'll do this for 5 to 10 years and then William will inherit a much smaller but more modern monarchy.

She is dying now slowly. Medical care, the best will be given but that won't change it. Her mother dying at 105 won't change that.

Will she make Christmas?

The death pallor is there.

I don't have a problem with her but it's fairly obvious the rate she has declined in the last 11 months, even the way she walks, her face, colour etc, her shoulders disappearing, a wasting away.

I've no doubt if she did not have whatever is carrying her, that she could have gone on for years more.

It's not as if people haven't seen someone decline or die before, its obvious.

Have to say, I don't follow it closely enough to know the stats, so my opinion is based largely on what I read/hear/see in the media. That 41% seems surprisingly high, but I wouldn't be putting my money on it becoming something. If I remember it correctly, young people were predominantly pro-Remain, and if they'd got off their arses they'd have saved their country a lot of heartache.

I'd say you're bang on with the Camilla thing, but can't imagine he'd be so daft. I read beyond your post and saw someone saying that the general public probably see the Charles/Diana/Camilla thing as the three of them being victims of the establishment. Thinking back to the time of her death, I don't recall a huge anti-Charles sentiment. So, its his to lose, so to speak.

You may be spot-on there.

A work colleague of mine spent 11 years living & working in the United States of America.

His work took him across the country,spending months at a time in different states.

His accounts of the stark poverty he encountered once off the countrys main-streets really opened my eyes.

Yet,one of the most ingrained notions the poverty stricken American possesses,is the CERTAINTY that the Million Dollar chip is just around the corner.

Very few of the legions of poor,forgotten,often elderly Americans would ever countenance tinkering with the American Dream,for them the Freedom to be poor over rides the reality of being poor,and woe betide anybody who suggests Communist **** such as Social Welfare or Universal Medical care.

Proud "Veterans" living in Tent Cities around Los Angeles,Las Vegas,or even Washington D.C would fight tenaciously against such Socialist ideas.

So too,it is with the British Monarchy..."Dieu et Mon Droit" 😁

I wouldn't be too hopeful given the family propensity for scandal and no little deviance.

The 'view' of the church changed very quickly here and their status/power as a consequence.

Not sure if it will have any significance in Scotland (who have talking the question for a while now) or NI but in other commonwealth countries where she was nominally the head of state you could see some movement

Good for you but I can say it my case it was far from a chuckling one

that's true, but they're still here. They still have a voice, and must still have tacit support in the country, else how would they survive? So, I suspect the British Royal Family will similarly survive. these institutions are greater than the sum of their parts.

I can easily imagine her death to be a shock to everyone's system, not to mention Britain. The nearest comparison of what I think we can expect is reaction to when Queen Victoria died. She's been around so long that it is enough to know that when you talk about The Queen, it's automatically her and not some other monarch.

That's going to be a weird adjustment where the world will have a King Charles...although my gut tells me that there's little chance of him also being simply known as The King. He won't be around long enough, and for so long he's been Prince Charles.

Well basically that is how it begins.

There are some who believe in 'blue or royal' blood.

My partner tells me that Elizabeth believes fully in 'the divine right of Kings(Queens)' and that is why she hasn't abdicated the throne for Charles.

Don't know if that is true and haven't the will or desire to check, but it is even mad to countenance that such nonsense exists.

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Her official title timberrr ^ 'jaysus' as right. Mad to think there are people who believe that stuff, worse than the Roman Catholics.

You said

"My partner tells me that Elizabeth believes fully in 'the divine right of Kings(Queens)' and that is why she hasn't abdicated the throne for Charles."

Did she write that above herself?

She didn't called herself that, it's titles bestowed upon her by different places, a simple Google search would have (and probably did) tell you that

"Upon Elizabeth's accession to the throne, she was asked by her Private Secretary what her regnal name would be, to which she responded, "My own, of course—what else?"

"whereas, in Australia,[6] New Zealand, and the United Kingdom,[7] she was proclaimed as Queen Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of this Realm and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith."

Yeah well as I said earlier in the thread frankie, we all know your feelings when it comes to anything British so I will just leave you to broil in your own simmering hatred.

Still a pale shadow of