Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I believe by adding more sections of society to the pass, when the boosters are rolled out it’s just coercion so more have to take the next dose so passes will be revoked.

He also mentions our far higher vaccination rates.

If Martin told me it was sunny outside I'd bring an umbrella.

It is at least 6 months, what would you define a small window as? Will be interesting to see what effect the booster has on that window (e.g. does the waning reduce at a slower rate due to repeatedly activating the immune system).

Do remember that the waning will be very similar to "natural infection" as it's a function of the immune system, not the vaccine.

and that’s why I’ve been outraged!

The fact they are even looking at introducing this 2G+ which means vaccine cert and a negative PCR test on top of that for entry to places. It is absolutely ridiculous and hopefully doesn’t be actually enforced.

The fact that beyond very few articles in German there isn’t much mention of it on a Google search gives me hope it won’t take off at all as surely it would be massive international news.

I really can’t see that happening it’s get the next dose and passes revoked, I think this outcome is staring people in the face and they refuse to see it, I hope I’m wrong, we shall see.

There's been nothing to say that those unvaccinated in ICU are the willfully unvaccinated. The only people who can't get a vaccine are those with specific allergies which would be a very small number of people, vulnerable and at risk people have been able to get vaccinated (and have a very high take up), this also shows in the ages of those in ICU with the vaccinated trending older and unvaccinated trending younger.

Ya, I think we're just missing some data around the ICU unvaccinated and vaccinated numbers. We had heard of people back when the vaccinations were happening who had got 1 dose and had a severe reaction and couldn't get another, or people who had doctors tell them not to get it as the potential reaction could be terrible for them, so whilst that's a probably a subset of the unvaccinated anyway, even if that's 2/3% of the population, it could be mostly them going into ICU. I think we need more data to actually make an accurate assessment tbh, and we're not being given that.

To be fair, the Friday figures do differentiate between no dose and at least one dose.

I would like to see a clearer break down of underlying conditions, age, etc of the no dose admissions like they have for the vaccinated admissions.

They give breakdowns of all ICU admissions by age and underlying condition in a separate report.

As you'd expect, the vast majority have underlying conditions (80%)

Its not totally clear really:

Unclear whether COVAX registers you as "vaccinated" if you are immunocompromised and havent completed your primary course of vaccination.

Also strange how many people got admitted to ICU with only 1 dose (35%) - given that most people only have a very brief period of time with 1 dose, its very unusual that 35% of all admissions from april to november had 1 dose, statistically you would not expect that. - Unless the "at least 1 dose" are the immunocompromised who havent gotten a 3rd dose.

You might need to read that again. It does not say that 35% of those in ICU received just one dose of a two dose regimen.

It notes that 65% were unvaccinated and makes clear that the other 35% are defined as breakthrough infections "in a person 14 days after they have completed both doses of a 2 dose regimen or 1 dose of a one dose regimen" (Johnson & Johnson vaccine)

I’m not sure if you realise but it is not the certs or vaccines for that matter that are driving the likelihood of someone ending up in a hospital. It is the health condition and age that have the biggest impact on that. So if we take this logic of the likelihood to end up in a hospital sick with covid it is the old and vulnerable for whom these restrictions should be put in place, irrespectively of whether they are vaccinated or not. Especially with vaccines waning quickly as it happens to be the case. Vaccines were touted to be a silver bullet 12 months ago. Sadly they are nothing of the sort. Short term solution for a long term problem.

What do you expect people going no is going to achieve. You do know don`t you that this is a virus where getting a vaccine greatly reduces risk of serious illness and deaths.

Do you believe that people just going no to the flu vaccine will somehow make the flu go away, or are you expecting this years flu vaccine to give lifetime immunity ?