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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    The letter did say the following in the covid cert section:

    "Government give consideration to the extension of its application to settings where there is 

    high risk of transmission, through close contact or other activities, not yet covered by the 

    current regime."

    Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    They are certainly not messing around in Vienna when it comes to the unvaccinated.

    A bit of a disaster for them alright, but with your friend fully vaccinated it is more an inconvenience than a disaster.

    His concern, and yours for him was he could not afford PCR tests, but from the link you posted they are free in Vienna for even tourists and the test centres appear to be open from 6 a.m. until 9 p.m. practically every day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Listening to Pay Kenny and the hospital crisis this morning.

    I think it's very unfair on hospital staff at this point. They are being treated like slaves.

    Our demographic has changed and treatments are more complex. We need more hospitals and staff for the same budget. An end to the practice encouraging spend all of budget because we'll get less if we don't.

    Perhaps a quality of life calculator should be used by public hospitals. A threshold established e.g. 12 months. If your treatment will result in an extra estimated 11 months of life, no admission into hospital. Die at home.

    The restrictions don't seem to work very well and the damage to everyone from another lockdown could outweigh the benefit of saving the lives of sick people.

    I can't see doctors or nurses willing to triage people into death, so maybe one of the rabid anti vaccine people with all the answers from boards could go to a public hospital and be the executioner? Maybe they could simply execute the sick patient on the spot and feed the remains to their anti vaccine pals, that comprise over 50% of ICU patients, as an alternative method of boosting protection to covid19 than the highly effective vaccine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's far too vague for a measure they don't like using and the government have asked for more details on which settings they mean.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭bloopy




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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Why the delay with boosters? Israel pushed them out and cases fell big time.

    Our government is never pro active in things.


    This mess is because of the Irish Government



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    UK are rolling out boosters to the over-40s now.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    And who appoints people to NIAC and pays for it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    We see now that the fact that these vaccines don't give sterilising immunity is not a mere detail. Not a 'miracle of science' in my opinion. Possibly prevented or delayed some instances of severe illness and...that's it.

    A senior source in NPHET cited 'cafes' as a major worry this morning.

    Note that the unvaccinated have been barred from cafes for 14 months.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That doesn't matter; they are independent and can't be pressured into decisions for political expedience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms



    Maybe you should stop listening to Pat Kenny. Go out for a walk and clear the head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    It wasn't long after he came back when there was talk of more lockdown. It was absolutely driven by him. A pandemic is arguably the biggest challenge for someone in his role and he, in the middle of it, for perfectly understandable and acceptable reasons stepped away, but it was the coming back to the top job that did it for me; if it was such an emergency, he should have been replaced as apparently a pandemic is an emergency so surely we cannot afford to lose our CMO for a couple months.

    I won't even comment on his two week holiday right before NPHET were supposedly due to be disbanded in October.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    That is not through. Unvaccinated were allowed to sit in cafe's before the vaccine started.

    Also unvaccinated are allowed into cafes to order and stand in a queue



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    We went into lockdown in September 2020.

    In July 2021 the ban on indoor dining was due to be lifted. Covid certs were brought in, and then the ban was only lifted for the vaccinated.

    Unvaccinated people have been banned from indoor dining for 14 months (except for three week break in December 2020).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    « 92% of adults vaccinated... »... I understand the reasoning behind continually quoting this higher figure (because vaccines were initially sold as something only adults would need) but Ireland is the only country in the world that uses it as a reference. I think I even heard MM compare Austria’s 63% against Ireland’s 92% the other day. Now perhaps he’s confused from spending too much time on boards, but this is the man that is meant to be in charge of our situation.

    When we hear X country is at 70% vaccinations most think that that country is 22% behind us. For clarification Austria - the sick man of Europe - isn’t that far behind us at all :




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Typo. 14 months.

    And what do you mean link? Have you been living in Ireland since March 2020 or did you just emigrate here from Albania?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Florida has 4 times the population of Ireland and over 10 times the deaths.

    If only we were Florida, we would now have 15,211 deaths rather than the present 5,866.

    We would have the 4th highest death rate in Europe with only Bulgaria, Hungary and Chechia being higher.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are people here not aware of what’s actually been going on in Italy for the past month. Never mind yer « could »...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can do a printscreen and pull in the edges to cut out the text. Come on, a bit of respect for the quality and relevance of our memes...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Florida has a far older population, its basically a massive retirement home. Contrast that to Ireland one of the youngest countries in the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    He's right you know, sure the Black Death only came along after Facebook was created.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    So are we saying the government can't ask they to review something a bit earlier like ALL the other countries are doing?

    No wonder we are useless



  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    And we have a winner right here folks, Someone who thinks the Black Death is comparable to Covid 19…. Go back to the journal comment section 🤦



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's the metric most countries are using and usually prefaced or appended by "of adults" i.e. those over 18, so it's not secretive (witness the loons on the other threads banging on about "92% vaccinated and it doesn't work"). But I don't really care what's used, it changes some calculations, but numbers are numbers, other people ascribe emotion to them, in this case the poster was screaming to use age as a metric in one area but screaming not to use it in another as if 3:1 was a good number and 12:1 was a bad number for the unvaxxed, they're both bad.

    From a restrictions perspective, people can get vaccinated, people can't be younger, is that fair on the willfully unvaccinated younger group? Probably not, but life isn't fair, most countries are increasing these restrictions based on health numbers and data (are they all wrong or just Ireland wrong?).

    UK is in an OK place with 98% antibodies present but are under pressure too. We should have stayed much more open then we did and kept hospitals "at capacity" keeping as much as possible open, construction lockdown was ridiculous, pushing out opening from August to October was ridiculous, we can't go back in time and change that so can only deal with the way things are now, which is some restrictions and hospitals already at capacity, if the hospitalisations don't drop, it's either restrict a few, restrict many or stop treating some people, they're not great choices to have but decisions have to be made.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That is one of the great misconceptions where Florida is concerned. From the U.S. 2018 census the population of Florida aged 65 and older is 20.9%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    It is laughable how many politicians, health care workers, journalists etc. use Twitter and think they are conversing on some sort of platform that has a legitimacy which may not be present on the likes of Facebook or Tik Tok.

    As a rule of thumb, if someone professional is giving an opinion on twitter it should not be taken as a professional tweet, take it with a pinch of salt. In fact, take the view that opinions are like ar$eholes, especially when posted online!

    Unfortunately, as with all social media platforms, there are two big problems; (1) conversation happens in a bubble due to the operation of algorithms; and (2) people cannot separate real life from online life. The net effect; covid restrictions have been a hysterical overreaction post-lockdown I and there has been a big group-think and herd mentality facilitated by a few social media platforms which unfortunately has guided real world policy.

    Too many adults use Facebook and Twitter etc. but should just know better, especially when it comes to professional opinions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Well done on your Swiftian satire but I have to ask...what rabid anti-vaccine people?

    Only about three posters have said they haven't taken a vaccine. No posters have told others not to take a vaccine.

    These vaccines have not received huge derision from anyone here despite that they apparently haven't lived up to the hype.

    Here is what M.Martin said earlier in the year:

    "The vaccine programme will completely change the landscape. It will transform options available to us as a society, for reopening and renewing our country.”

    Looks like he was mistaken.



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