Will there be another lockdown?

So for the rest of your life you will just avoid everything indoor bar the supermarket?

Love how people are saying “don’t be up in ICU” even if I was vaccinated I wouldn’t get a bed.

wake up and realise the government spent MILLIONS on advertising for covid but stil can’t throw money into improving the health service.

this isn’t about the unvaccinated …luckily for mehole you fools seem to think it is

A lock down might be counter productive, legislation can exist to act as a deterrent preventing people from behaving a certain way. That classic example is masks (indeed forgot my mask going to the shop the other day, had to run back !). Users on boards.ie may debate till the cows come home but for 98% of us we are neither medical professionals nor behavioural scientists. Most people will set foot on a plane with not knowing how it operates, will drive a car or take paracetemol without knowing the chemical make up...ask them for a vaccine and hell hath broke loose as they watched a few youtube vids. What I am saying in a round about way is you trust a government to act in good faith for its people (and it might not with vulture funds etc) yet as far as Covid is concerned its a brand new unseen enemy

We could probably do the discussion better without the conspiracy theories.

Of course it can be and is measured😅 Perhaps in more detail than any other event in history.

So in response to somebody saying they aren't vaccinated, you said:

So...you're the one that said it. So how high a risk do you think COVID-19 is, whether vaccinated or not? For an average person, in a given year, what would you guess the probability is of 1) infection, 2) progression to COVID-19, 3) hospitalisation, 4) death? Or even for an at-risk person?

I think the results might astound you.

I would never say never Danzy.

If the sh1t hits the fan and the hospitals become absolutely clogged, they will have to bring in some restrictions. It won't go back to the "5k limit" type of restrictions but closing nightclubs or similar for a few weeks might be done.

As the slogan goes, people should be "learning to live with covid", but they aren't. Too many are pretending it doesn't exist anymore and not taking simple precautions. If people took those precautions and the numbers are kept down, then other things can go back to relative normal.

But if people take the precautions you are talking about then almost by definition things wouldn’t go back to normal. The vaccination has been widely administered and has had a great effect — but it is clear that it will not stop transmission. The realistic path ahead of us now is that we are simply going to have to endure the passing of this virus through the community and take encouragement from the fact that the combination of vaccination and infection will assist in Covid becoming a less harmful virus. Getting more people vaccinated would be of help, but at this stage I really don’t know how you talk the unvaccinated folk down from the little cloud of eccentricity they now inhabit, fueled by an echo chamber of fellow travellers in the sphere of Twitter research.

This will be a winter of high Covid infection, it will be rampant. But there is no good time for this — sooner or later this virus has to circulate throughout the community. Close the nightclubs, stop the young socialising, and then it all kicks off again as soon as you allow these things to recommence. It seems to me that the best we can hope for now is that the winter spread of this virus helps to build the natural resilience of our population to this virus, so that it becomes a progressively lesser risk.

In the space of a week I've changed my mind. Overwhelmingly I'm going with a YES.

Restrictions already creeping back in, its a slippery slope from here.

Give it one more week and the numbers will deteriorate, NPHET will be advising more restrictions without giving any time for the current restrictions to take effect. Watch

What level of 'lockdown' though? Schools and everything closed?

I sympathise with you but your anger is misdirected imo. Nobody's saying "f*ck the vulnerable" at all. We've accepted near two years of severe lockdowns in order to protect them. Ultimately we need a pragmatic plan that allows us to open for ALL while still protecting vulnerable people somehow, we can't remain locked down indefinitely.

Vaccination is not a solution re: transmission, as the vaccines that we use in Ireland weren't designed or tested to reduce transmission.