Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

IFR has never been the real concern at all despite the high numbers last winter. Hospitalisations are at about 1%-2% so that's potentially in the order of 10-20 per 1,000 cases. That many new cases a day and the pressure on the health system is where the alarm is.

Ah was that Donnelly? I thought it was David Brent.

A lot of people have called it out but the government really had no interest in relaxing restrictions this year.

They deliberately set a date heading into winter so cases would rise and they could quickly put restrictions back in place.

If we had opened in the summer people would have built up more immunity and we would be better prepared for winter and people may be more likely to accept restrictions after more freedom in the summer.

Government policy will kill far more people this winter than anti vaxers or people heading to house parties.

Who in nphet or the government has any experience with human behaviour because nearly everyone I know is fed up and not listening anymore.

People are going to have house parties and socialise over Christmas far more than last year because of the vaccine.

The constant lying to will lead to a lot of healthy people to not bother with a booster myself included.

It really is like the government are actually deliberately trying to make a balls of everything they do.

Its mad how anyone predicting a lockdown this winter was labelled a doom mongering conspiracy theorist.

No one can deny that there is now a very real possibility of lockdown this winter.

i wonder will many nightclubs open from 8-12? i think all should jusst as a from of protest even

I actually agree with you - I think its very unfair on this sector. I suspect though most of them only have a licence to open from 11.

i would say people would be shocked how busy they would be. or is dancing actually banned?

You can imagine whatever you like, you'd be wrong.

Leo Varadkar, who as a doctor you'd think might have some basic knowledge of these things, stated that the reason the government's first "Living with covid" plan failed was that they didn't know about the possibility of new variants of the virus when they drafted it.

So neither the government or any of their advisers knew that a virus could have variants. Astounding. All the more so when you consider that variants were being reported on in March 2020, before we even knew of any cases here.

Even if they had been aware and their response was just "hoping there would be either no mutation or one that would lessen transmissibility", that would still be criminal incompetence.

They could stand outside the Dail shooting unvaccinated people and nightclub owners and people like you would still defend them to the hilt.

raind is exactly the person who will smugly claim that nightclubs are not really affected because they can just open earlier. He has a lot of form for that disingenuous nonsense.

People with HIV and immunocompromised conditions cannot take the vaccine.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cdc-says-only-people-not-173951622.html

According to HSE stats from last week. From the 400 admissions into ICU since June, 61 were classified as HIV or Immunocompromised (15%).

There are other factors too. People with terminal conditions and/or are close to death. I don't have figures for those.

EDIT: I quoted the wrong post. The HSE stats are within the thread

He has a point though.

A real protest would opening 'til 2am and making the authorities shut them down.

When the lockdown was brought in in Greece, a church in the middle of Athens put up a sign outside saying they weren't going to enforce the restrictions and that the government should "respect the personality of the faithful".

It didn't stop the lockdown from happening but it was significant because anyone can say 'No'.

Irish people will not make defiant gestures. Instead they send out spokesmen to publicly beg the government for concessions and then cry when it doesn't work.

The LVA guy even thought he could win brownie points by blaming the unvaccinated. How did that work out for him?

First they made a fool out of him by springing a ticketing system on him without any prior consultation. Then they rolled back opening hours three weeks later without any prior consultation.

At least they didn't make him run around with his trousers down?

Irish people say yes to everything so they have no leverage with which to negotiate.