New handicap system

sure is that not doing what you suggested in the first place, you could shoot the lights out and its tempered by your high handicap on the back

you play badly and are low you end up with a better score than the high handicapper

works fine

This is an image of a 12 hole round as displayed on the clubhouse webpage. On this one the first hole not played has a net bogey and the remaining holes have net pars as per the rules of handicapping which I posted earlier.

Been reading up a bit on the reports that are available to committees and the GI Guidelines on them. Seems a lot of people could slip through the handicap review report unless they have a good few scores under there handicap, with the calculation provided. @prawnsambo is this review done on the last 20 scores or is it whatever scores they have had for the year?

If they slip through the above report they could still be caught by the COMP vs General Play scores, and also the non counting competitions. There is quite a few who could be reduced on the non counting scored. Our winter league see regularly 15-20 players beating their handicap, some by a considerable amount. Be interesting to see how the reviews go.

I don't know which thread to post in anymore, this one or the or the original one.

The review is done on the whole year. Obviously a bit truncated since we didn't start back until the end of April, but that would still include a lot of scores and probably a bit more since more GP scores would be in than previous years.

Unfortunately non-counting scores don't turn up in the reports since they don't get transferred to the Golf Ireland database (afaik). But clubs would have access to this data if they want to expand a look back into highlighted members. Most clubs won't have non-qualifying comps in for this year - we've been qualifying up until now.

I was about to say they weren't outrageous scores until I realised they were from 15 hole comps. 🤣

Yeah, they should look at those, but I'd say you'd need a few more data points before you could draw definitive conclusions. As I said above, you'd be looking at highlighted members from the main reports and then drilling down to look for additional evidence from the likes of NQ comps.

Placing everywhere yes, tees are forward but still on the same teeing area mostly, so at most 10 yards difference bar one hole might be 20-30 yards.

What makes them even more impressive is the lowest playing handicap of the 3 scores is 10, and with 16/17/18 each being an index 10 or below they all had holes with shots coming.

edit: i should say because its a mixed comp sometimes it adds 1 to the playing handicap so could account for an extra point or so.

I heard about that score and was wondering did they make an error with the scoring? So with the new system for scrambles (25/20/15/10%), I roughly worked it out that each player would have to be in the 30s handicap range for the team to get 22.5 shots which seems unlikely but you never know with this joke of a system.

Our autumn League (4 weeks of comps, teams of six made of 3 pairs) has just concluded. It was nip and tuck up to the last weekend in which the format was full scramble. The winning team pulled away from the other teams by a whopping 14 points. No one in the team with a handicap less than 13, with one guy playing off a handicap over 30. Highest handicap in our team was 16. We never stood a chance. Club is reverting to 15 hole singles for turkeys till Christmas now. Pointless entering that. Better off to play for money between ourselves in our regular fourball.

13 handicapper wins in Killarney at the weekend with a mere 49 points.

Great shooting by him, he could have walked in after 16 holes and still won. This gentlemen was previously a low single-handicap so it's great to see him regain some form after a terrible run of casual play scores over the summer.

Don't know why these are set to non-qualifying. We've been running our Winter league too and so far it's been qualifying with placing on the fairways and lift clean and replace in the rough. Best score so far was 43 points for 18 holes. Forward tees takes about 500 yards or so off the summer tees. Playing 15 holes, you just enter as 18 with nett pars (did not play) for the missing three holes.

Not true. Prawnsambo is correct here. If there is more than 14 holes played then it can be qualifying

Which is why the apps for scoring now ask if you played and didnt score or did not play a scratched hole

Yeah, the Committee can declare holes not to be played for various reasons and 15 hole rounds can be acceptable. The screenshot below of the handicapping rules sets out how these are calculated. "Placing everywhere" is a bit vague. You can't have a qualifying competition if placing is allowed in the rough. The only allowable rule is for cleaning and replacing the ball in the rough, so the ball has to be replaced exactly or as near as exactly to its original spot. No looking around for a nice tuft of grass to sit it up on. 😂

"Placing" implies preferred lies, which if allowed in the rough means non-qualifying. That's why it's vague in the context where you seem to be saying it's qualifying in one instance and non-qualifying in the other. If they're both non-qualifying, then that's fine and I've misunderstood.

If it's placing in the rough, it can't be qualifying. Somebody seems to have their wires crossed. I'm not surprised tbh, this was brought up over a year ago on this forum and I specifically asked the GUI about it and they said that model local rule E-2 (lift clean and replace in the rough) did not apply to Ireland. I had to send them the CONGU bulletin that specifically stated that it DID apply to Ireland.

He is definitely a member of one other club within the county. It's possible he has membership of others....