Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Those are fairly astounding ICU stats. Boosters need to be rolled out for those with underlying conditions immediately. In a way it sort of makes the new COVID pass rules make a little sense in order to push up vaccination levels.

Regarding antivaxers... I was in a conference call a week or two ago and one of the team, not my team, was asking what was the way forward for people who were not vaxed. After he was given the answer he then added, what about people who will NEVER (emphasis was made on the word never, almost as if it was something to be proud of) get vaccinated.

I know this person well and it doesn't surprise me one iota that he has taken this stance, he's an intelligent guy but dear me this has made me think that underneath his intelligence, he's an idiot.

Medical authorities don't just "use medicine to see", there is a proper authorisation process to go through first, which would involve trials happening and that data being submitted for review. It's typically a 1-2 dose treatment for worms, not an every day treatment (as those espousing it are using it as).

I am vaccinated because I'm around vulnerable parents but if he doesn't want to ever be vaccinated why would you or anyone else care ?

Its' his choice its his body ,

The vaccinated are spreading the virus to if they are not why close pubs early if only vaccinated are in there ?

Statistically small IIRC. If we take anaphylaxis, the upper estimate for its prevalence is about 2%. Higher in children, but let's ignore that and double it.

So if we suggest that 4% of people are unable to take the vaccine, then you still have another 6% who could get it and reduce pressure on ICUs by up to 36%. I've yet to hear of a single person say, "I can't get it" though, virtually everyone I have heard who haven't got it, are straight out refusing it. So that 6% is likely too small, but still more than enough.

I'd be curious to know what proportion of the "unvaccinated" 10% includes people who've had Covid. Because if, for example, half of the unvaccinated have had Covid previously, then that makes the hospital numbers even more stark; since we know acquired immunity is about as good as vaccine immunity.

My parents in their 70’s ( who both have heart conditions) getting their boosters today. Great to see 👍

Do the government really expect people to pay for antigen tests?

For them to have any impact they need to be free in my opinion

Even then whether they'd actually have an impact is debatable

There was an immunologist on the radio last night saying that most of what the government announced yesterday will have little effect and they should be focusing more on a) Getting boosters into people as fast as possible and b) getting fully behind antigen tests. The stats you've posted back up the idea that boosters are our best solution.

So what's the holdup?

Wait so is it true

1 person in ICU who is fully vaccinated and does not have an underlying condition ?

I wonder what age is this person

This exchange with your colleague says more about you than about him, I feel

98%... I don't doubt you, but where did you see that. That's nearly double the amount that Israel and UAE experienced. Which means it's not vaccine waining that's causing ICU to fill up here, it's people that haven't received their 3rd jab (not a booster) and obviously the unvaccinated people.

The 3rd jab has been rolled out well over a month ago, so hopefully we start seeing an impact. Technically we should see a higher % unvaccinated in ICU going forward.

Unlike if the UNJABBED have had COVID and have some natural immunity (and also possibly younger), particularly as we are at 93% of those over 18, which will possible reach 95% by mid-December. Unless you decided that those who are 6 months passed their initial jabs are now unjabbed.

What a shambles. Goverment have buried their heads in the sand since september and now we are paying dearly for their failures.

Nphet are all over the place. Their constant lies about schools, farcical models and poorly thought out virus control measures have seriously damaged their credibility.

Why on earth did they open nightclubs with no mitigation measures? Stevie wonder could have seen it was going to be a shitshow.

The sheer incompetence and lack of leadership of it all does little to inspire confidence.

Since they failed to put in any real mitigation measures in place in society -ventilation, ffp2 masks, antigen - Our only hope at this stage is the boosters. They seem to be **** that up as well though - no surprise there.

So ultimately it's looking like another lockdown. While some of the ones in the past were warranted and necessary, this one coming definitely could have been avoided.

As Albert said; 'Were doing the same things over and over again expecting different results'

Insanity.