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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭bloopy


    The most interesting part to me was his mention of having difficulties with booster take-up in the over 60's because of ' hair appointments'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    It doesn’t matter if it is true or not because it’s a generic sound bite, you could get covid in the pub and pass it on to a vulnerable person. Just the same as you could pass the flu on any other year. Do we lockdown then by his logic until everyone with an underlying condition is dead? Where is the end point if you want to follow that logic?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Right but you said you previously thought he was smart guy. He asks a question about what people who aren't vaccinated should do, and your response is that you don't care if he ends up in intensive care (and dies, presumably).

    You don't know to what extent him being vaccinated will help the world, or what his motivations for asking the q were, so I think a bit of perspective is needed on your part.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But the flu doesn't cause as many deaths as Covid does - or else there would have been lockdowns long before Covid was even heard of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Some of the sleuthing I did this morning found that in the vaccine trials only 40% of immunocompromised showed a weak or insufficient immune response after. Which is poor compared to the 95%+ for the rest of us, but it does mean significant protection for that cohort. And speaks to the importance of 3rd (or even 4th) doses for this group. It's not foolproof, but it'll make a huge difference.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Doesn't matter, it could just as easily kill someone with no immune system - it's exactly the same scenario only he spouts it about Covid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭aziz


    Yeah a irresponsible Christmas sounds more fun than a meaningful Christmas



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Lots of people are sick of going for tests when they have symptoms and are getting negative results. I'd say a fair few are putting symptoms down to colds and other viruses. Especially those with kids in schools as there is so much going around. I've been tested 7 times since end of August. 6 with mild symptoms and 1 with what was like a bad cold. Everyone in the family ended up with symptoms which all started from our child. Each result was negative. Not one covid case in my childs pre-school based on all the testing that has happened for the children and the parents. The head teacher is really good with the transparency.

    In my circle of friends, i've learned of 3 separate families getting positive results from the antigen tests in the past week. They had very mild symptoms and decided to take one. And on the back of them, got a PCR test and tested positive. One family has 6 in it and only 1 had symptoms. 6 tested positive on PCR. The other 2 families have 4 each and again only 1 in each with symptoms. But all 4 tested positive. Only for the positive antigen test, they probably wouldn't have bothered to go get a PCR test if symptoms stayed mild. And would have put it down to a cold after many negative PCR results in the past. So antigen tests do have a use case and can help. Only the person with symptoms in each case had a positive antigen test result. Those who tested positive on PCR but negative on antigen did not have symptoms. Which is probably about right with the assumption. Antigen is good when symptomatic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Before vaccinations, ~80% of all ICU cases and over 90% of deaths were in people with underlying medical conditions.

    These people were always the ones at risk from covid, even with vaccines that doesnt change but that groups risk is reduced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Indeed. By the way, Dr Nabarro said he doesn't think Ireland will have another lockdown.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    We won't have another lockdown because it will be roundly ignored. They blew any chance of a buy in by dragging the arse out of the last ones while the rest of the world opened back up, dithering about this and that because the Irish knew better than the rest of the world. They will have no chance of the public being onside for another go at it, zero.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    People take their lead from the goverment, Their policies and actions, their decisions on what we 'can' and 'cant do' are the foundation on which our society functions.

    That's why it's so annoying to hear them sherk their responsibilities by putting the onus on the public, their personal responsibility mantra is a cowardly cop out.

    The goverment can only do so much, but right now, they are not doing nearly enough. They put all their eggs in the vaccine basket, when that didn't deliver as expected they just decided to put their heads in the sand.

    Most business dont have a clue about ventilation and are either incapable of fixing it or just dont care. This can be fixed by making it a law. They are questioned on this weekly by the opposition, and scientists, and completely evade answering it every time.

    I do wear ffp2s. I've looked at the studies and seen how much more effective they are and decided if I'm going to bother wearing a mask I might as well wear one that works. There is complete ignorance in this country about masks. People think a mask is a mask. The goverment have a duty of care here to educate and they should take their lead from other countries and provide guidelines the public about proper mask protection

    Nobody said their job was easy but that's no excuse for doing a **** one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Just for those people (all 2 of you) who were in doubt about whether Stephen Donnelly has a clue what he's doing:

    This morning:


    This afternoon:




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    The CMO isn't fit for purpose, he has failed the people of this country.

    He needs to be replaced along with the rest of NPHET.

    It is what it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    If Tony Holohan thinks people won't use antigen tests properly, why not organise an education campaign about using them properly instead of taking to national radio to undermine them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    So much mixed messaging on antigen testing already today and it's not even 3 o clock

    Absolute joke



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,675 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "He says the UK - where the NHS issues packs of seven for free - has been criticised for spending that scale of funds."

    Never heard of anyone complaining about the government handing out free antigen tests in the UK before. I think most people are glad they are free, especially those that have kids in schools and those that are unvaxed. A bit of an idiot that Donnelly bloke isn't he ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Best typo ever - now I have a great picture in my head 😂😂😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭jackal


    I would dispute this point. Where is the evidence? He has made an assertion, is it based on something other than assumptions? My theory is that it’s the general move inside for socialising and leisure due to the cold weather. All the ‘outdoor summer’ stuff was great but it’s just not practical anymore. Childrens parties being held in parks etc have now all had to move indoors. Maybe that’s the cause?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,007 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,007 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    They certainly broke the mould with that lad. He has zero issue splashing half a billion on PCRs when the vast majority are negative but perish the thought of using a very effective tool at catching positive cases in a more cost effective way.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,007 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That just emphasizes the lack of urgency some people will have with the booster, if they even bother.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Holohan saying we'll have minimum 200,000 cases in December, that's 6500 cases per day.

    Where is he pulling this figure from? Why is he not being asked what assumptions went into getting that figure?

    Honestly the free reign these lads are given to pump out nonsense figures while going completely unchallenged is scandalous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Novavax has applied for vaccine approval with the EMA. Long time coming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭B2021M


    When he finally goes to the inquiry into all of this he will definitely be oozing condensation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Lordy lord this sudden government aggression toward the unvaccinated is certainly escalating alarmingly quickly in Europe. So most of europe already has vaccine certs in place, Austria is forcing unvaccinated to stay at home , Germany to follow suit , Latvia has banned them from voting , Czech has limited their access to public services. Who's going to top this tomorrow with the next craziest headline? Nphet won't be able to resist jumping on the bandwagon



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    EU order for 200m I believe, since last August.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26 rp79


    If the hse data is showing 1.16% of cases being hospitalised why is holohan using 2 per cent as his baseline for hospitalisations. Is there a legitimate reason to think rate of hospitalisations will increase or just another incorrect input?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Reaching the peak?

    4387 positive swabs, 14.36% positivity on 30,556 tests.



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