Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Concerning report on RTE radio yesterday evening that vaccination take up has been poor among the travelling community in Ireland. Likely not unique in them as other various ethnic groups seem to have low take up as well, maybe due to language barriers.

What's concerning about the travellers though is that they already often live in cramped conditions, have on the whole poorer health. Were noticeably 'happy go lucky' with the restrictions both last year and earlier this year as regards large gatherings.

Are there any figures on what percentages they are making up of hospital & ICU admissions for Covid related illness?

I don't want to be targeting one particular group.. but if there is a problem, this has to be sorted pronto for the sake of the rest of society.

That means almost everyone under 80, along with the 40% of 12-15 year olds unvaccinated!

So yesterday there was reports there was only 1 person in ICU who was fully vaxxed with no underlying health conditions ,

SO the vaccine are helping to stop people getting very sick

But in Roy Keane style that one person needs to have a hard look in the mirror and sort there **** out & stop letting the side down, come on whoever you are get your act together & get yourself out of ICU ....(im joking...kind of )

It’s unfortunately what needs to be done. Those who choose not to take the booster must now be considered anti-vaxxers. Because that’s what they are.

It is already happening to an extent.

I'm finding that those who gone to the extreme on this whole thing are starting to not get invited on nights out. It is too much hassle with arguments and complaining if you are in a venue that might not be sticking completely rigid to the rules.

The vast majority can't because we have barely started on the over 70s so this is really not much of a plan. Outcomes for the younger groups generally do not mean hospitalisations.

Nope, that rubbish is why we aren't actually going to solve the problem

Obesity is the cause not the symptom.

Obesity is a result of poor lifestyle choices.

The only reason morbid obesity was a lower stat in ICU is because so few are actually that size. They dont survive long.

Whats the stats readjusted for a BMI of 30???

There was a very interesting report published I'll link it here

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19_and_Obesity-The_2021_Atlas.pdf

Interestingly, a study in the UK found that for people with a BMI of 35 to 40, risk of death from COVID-19 increases by 40% and with a BMI over 40 by 90%, compared to those not living with obesity. Other data found that in intensive care units, 7.9% of critically ill patients with COVID-19 had a BMI over 40 compared with 2.9% of the general population.

If we are serious about relieving the pressure on the health service for the next few years, one simple measure could help us achieve that

How’s the head Bertie ??

Whats the simple measure?

🤣ffs! We're being taken for absolute fools😆

I would say, that Nolan's original modelling for this wave looks to be pretty accurate actually, cases peaking in 2/3rd week of Nov and I think his hospitalisations model looks accruate too. I really wish the govt held their nerve this time, rather than driving a hole new level of uncertainty and fear (amongst elderly mainly). Uncertainty which is absolutely driving a whole new level of socialisation in anticipation of more restrictions. Again their lack of behavourial gurus is letting them badly down, also with the complete focus (perhaps by the media...) on the pessimistic.

I thought it was 200,000 yesterday

Sure didn't they predict 2000 deaths between July and September back in June?

Any chance there's a journalist in the country that might actually call them out on their useless models?

Yes if you look at the headline numbers there is little change but dig a little deeper and things are looking more positive. I can only supply figures for Scotland so here you go.

Yes overall case numbers are rising in Scotland, however this is being driven almost entirely by infections in <14's. The cases rates here have gone from 400 (31st Oct - end of half term) to 720 this week. The case rates in this age group are still increasing rapidly.

In age groups 20-50+ the case rates (<300) also increased this month by circa 100 but are now levelling off

In the older age groups 60+ case rates are all decreasing and all are at quite a low level now at around 100 per 100K

With hospitalisations, these peaked in Scotland around 1100 on 20th Sept at they are now at 770. (case rates peaked at 6400 on 3rd Sept)

Death rates also peaked around end of September at 23 per day, they are now falling rapidly and are currently at 7 per day

So yes Scotland is not out of the woods yet but things are looking brighter.

in terms of introducing further restrictions, there is a discussion on this (behind paywall but you get the idea)