Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Leo out following the agenda, gets his CNN interview out of it. He’s really fallen into line this year.

You didn't give me any source, you just posted something which turned out to be the title of the current ECDC report. Which was not the image you've just posted. Do you understand the concept of links?

Or possibly the concept of reading? I haven't answered your question because it's totally unrelated to the topic.

No, that was not my original premise (which is still my current premise - you're the one moving the goalposts and blathering on about irrelevances).

You said that everyone should be aware the viruses can mutate since we regularly have new flu variants. I agreed with you, and pointed out how disturbing it was that the Tanaiste said that the Government weren't aware in summer last year that Covid could have variants. At all. (A statement I provided a link sourcing.)

Since then you've gone off on some bizarre twisted path deviating into rambling on about variants of concern, the ECDC, anything you can think of to try to excuse the government for claiming they didn't know the thing you yourself said everyone should know. No wonder you're such a supporter of them, you've a similar difficulty trying to keep track of all the contradictory nonsense you're spouting. Have you ever thought abut running for election?

"Varadkar: Heartbroken we're back in this position" - eh, stop being a fuckin drama queen Leo. We reopened and cases are rising. Why didn't you put it in context that the case numbers are out of 5 MILLION? Wouldn't make a good headline for your appearance on CNN though would it you dramatic prick.

Just under 68% nationally, they have parts where it's a lot less than that, as low as 57%, and they are the ones badly affected now. We are nearly 10% above their national rate, so coping for now.

Turn off the news and current affair shows I don't get why people continue to listen to this rubbish and then complain about it.

Or did you just want to let us know about the holiday?

I do my best to ignore it but unfortunately it's present on every form of mainstream media and is heavily present in many social media mediums. You can't just switch it off.

It's my 5th holiday this year seeing as you are so interested 👌

How nice for them. What an absolute farce.

It's hard to think anything more totally against the spirit of Christianity than barring unvaccinated people from churches.

Are they going to tear up the Gospel of Luke and replace it with NHS leaflets?

Good for you, a whole two weeks just remember to tune out of the shows that are bothering you.

Firstly, I don’t fully buy the assertion that the government is desperate to avoid these measures and only brings them in when they feel it absolutely necessary. They have spent most of 2021 almost religiously avoiding lifting measures and pubs/restaurants were still operating under heavy restrictions even in warm weather and even when the vaccine rollout to the vulnerable was well advanced. So this argument that the government only imposes these measures with an eye on hospital capacity is simply not true — the measures are imposed on the basis of what is ultra cautious and ultra conservative — the abundance of caution as they call it, not the application of proportionality.

Secondly, this constant waving of the question “Are you OK with overwhelmed hospitals and people being left to die without treatment?” has become ever-more tiresome. That is because you are posing the question along what appears to be the government’s appreciation of the risk scenarios — that there are only two options: ultra cautiousness or all-out health care apocalypse. My argument is not end all restrictions, but to be braver in pushing up our tolerance of what we are willing to risk. We keep getting told about this Hospital apocalypse without anyone ever seeming able to describe how long this apparent worse case scenario would persist — are we talking a couple of weeks over the winter? A month? A year? And it is also posed as a situation we apparently simply could not retrieve if we started to approach the stage where it was abundantly clear (and not simply clear on worst case modelling) that it was going to transpire.

We were told that the UK had jumped the gun, that they were foolish, that their reopening policy would cost lives (and it has) — we were told that morally and ethically purer Irish approach of “slow and steady wins the race” would pay dividends and that abandoning caution would mean abandoning lives. And here we are.

Depends what pub you go to. My local wasn't checking anything last Saturday night. I was only inside when going to the bar/toilets anyway as the live music was outside.

The latest is 200,000 new cases minimum in December, that's an average of about 6,450 a day... Let's see how good his modelling is now...

Honestly if I had predicted 100-120k deaths last year I'd be keeping quiet right about now

One of my work mates was saying the government arent that bothered in theory how many people get covid there just looking out for each other. They gave a good example

I'm out having a pint and I get into a fight and get knocked out. The guards will have to be called followed by ambulance crew who will then bring me to the hospital. That's 6-10 public servants been used for such a small incident