Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Isn't she the architect? Not even worth talking about imo. Her opinions on Covid are about as valid and relevant as mine

Seamus wants to exclude children from schools who are born of the ‘unvaccinated’. Same poster was lambasting others last week for suggesting what was occurring now was in any way discriminatory or similar to the 1930s.

Oh I agree entirely. There's plenty of banging on about getting everyone boosted, including Leo's remarks. But the data remains consistent in that being fully vaccinated right now remains the most robust protection. For a small number of people the booster jab is significant, but for the vast majority it doesn't make a large dent in your long-term protection. The long-term benefit of infection is unknown, but it is known to confer equivalent immunity for at least 9 months.

The pressure is coming from those who have had no infection and no vaccination at all, so I see no need to expand the definition of unvaccinated beyond that.

Yep, definitely a difficult aspect of it. There is a lot of reliance on good will at present. But if that were to turn into vitriol from the unvaxxed, can we really see bus drivers or shop security willing to deal with it?

Simpler measures that have come to mind would be a mandatory immediate closure order on any business not properly checking covid certs. Inspector checks you out, if they don't get their cert checked, that's it, everyone out, and you're shut for two weeks. This is without expanding the cert requirements; so just bars, nightclubs, restaurants, etc., not shops or public transport.

Again, ultimately may be pissing in the wind. Most people are done with restrictions. Close the pubs again, and its house parties all the way. Vaccinated people are not getting very sick, so they don't care any more. Nobody vaccinated or unvaccinated is limiting their household contacts to protect the health service. Vaccinated people don't need to, unvaccinated people don't care.

This may be it, while we all point at laugh at the government fruitlessly attempting to make a difference, things are going to unfold in the same way no matter what they do.

How this will be written into the history books depends on a couple of things. If these draconian measures are indeed temporary and completely removed in a short time frame it may be seen to have been right thing to do. However, if these measures become the norm and lead to ever increasing state control over people's day to day lives I don't think it will be viewed in a favourable light at all.

There was a time when I gave the Government credit for having to make sh1tty decisions at a hard time. Of being handed five sh1tty cards and having to pick the least sh1tty.

But fvkcing hell. Talk about missing an open goal five or six times in a row.

Ok.

Will do, as soon as I find Nolan's new contact details. You wouldnt happen to have them?

Sure thing, just dial 10 random numbers on your phone. Isn’t that what he does for his modelling?

:^(

And yet my 75 year old parents would close nightclubs today if they could. One of them said we don't "need" bars at all and that they didn't have nightclubs and bars in her day.

Thats what we're dealing with.

Sure you could have 200,000 cases

it's possible

Yet the government and Tony etc are quoting the 400,000 figure as a scare tactic

The modelling is being used to base public policy on all the time even when the assumptions are outdated

If I do a model which says we will have 250,000 to 1,000,000 cases between now and February I'll be right as there is such a difference in outcomes

Listening to the radio this morning, UCC having their christmas celebrations, been slaughtered by everyone. I absolutely hate the nation we have turned into. Doing exactly what we are been conditioned to do by NPHET, blame the young, blame the protests, blame the pubs, blame the unvaccinated, blame the person who won't wear a mask.

The blame falls with decades of FFG who have left our ICU capacity at half the OECD average.