Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Who'se dithering. If a third dose isn't due until six months after the second dose then 50+ people wouldn't be due to get their's until towards the end of this year or early next year.

I like this. If you end up taking up a valuable ICU bed with covid having chosen not to take the vaccine, it's only fair you pay the price for the unnecessary strain you've put the health system under. I don't think anyone could argue with that.

Precisely Jack.

The unvaccinated ball has been thrown and everyone is following it.

The elephant in the room is the numbers of vaccinated in hospital and ICU despite the country still using many mitigation measures.

When every person in the country is vaccinated, who gets blamed next?

Seems wrong to charge someone who may be just brainwashed by anti vax nonsense. These people need help.

Maybe so. Easily implemented though.

You're comparing addictions like alcoholism and smoking which can be extremely difficult to stop to people choosing not to take a free safe vaccine due to pure ignorance/stubborness/stupidity. No comparison whatsoever.

Need to sticky this for next time someone complains the vaccines don't work.

Wish some journalist would ask how many of the unvaccinated people have actually recovered from covid.

In the broad sense the vaccines have not worked for what many took then for.

We have nearly the world's best vaccine uptake, but continue as one of the most restricted for now approaching 2 years.

A few million of us in Ireland were at no risk from Covid, and subsequently took the vaccine for other reasons like returning to normal.

Statistically I didn't need the vaccine to avoid ICU or hospital, so the vaccine doesn't have to protect me

Those who haven't taken the vaccine but have underlying illness are not going to take the vaccine at this stage.

Those who didn't take the vaccine but don't have underlying conditions won't need hospital treatment.

The vaccines were first about preventing deaths, but as the stats show in Ireland the same number of people died in 2020 as every other year so that's a bunk cause.

It then became about protecting the health service.

Now the unvaccinated who are ending up in ICU are one problem.

The bigger issue IMO is the vaccinated who are in ICU.

If the vaccine actually prevented serious illness in all cases, we could handle the unvaccinated cases in ICU.

And if we actually opened society properly, and 100% fully vaccinated, we will still have hundreds of vaccinated in hospital.

It would be easier solve world peace than get 100% vaccination uptake in society.

So for the common man who doesn't work in healthcare, but has the government micromanaging his life again this Winter, the vaccines has not actually worked, certainly in Ireland

In the broad sense the vaccines have not worked for what many took then for.

We have nearly the world's best vaccine uptake, but continue as one of the most restricted for now approaching 2 years.

Restrictions how ever severe is not a reflection of how useless vaccines are though. That's more down to the over caution-ness of the Government

A few million of us in Ireland were at no risk from Covid, and subsequently took the vaccine for other reasons like returning to normal.

A few million are at risk though and the idea initially was achieving herd immunity, granted that was with wild and Alpha strain, Delta is a different beast

Statistically I didn't need the vaccine to avoid ICU or hospital, so the vaccine doesn't have to protect me

Correct, but it prevents spread to others not in the same position as yourself.

Those who haven't taken the vaccine but have underlying illness are not going to take the vaccine at this stage.

I think we've maxed out the first doses at this stage anyway

Those who didn't take the vaccine but don't have underlying conditions won't need hospital treatment.

The vaccines were first about preventing deaths, but as the stats show in Ireland the same number of people died in 2020 as every other year so that's a bunk cause.

There are plenty of countries who have experienced a substantial number of excess deaths, just because one country had no excess deaths does not mean the vaccines haven't worked.

It then became about protecting the health service.

It was always about protecting the health service

Now the unvaccinated who are ending up in ICU are one problem.

The bigger issue IMO is the vaccinated who are in ICU.

The vast majority on fully vaccinated people in ICU are immunocompromised. Even if the vaccine had 100% efficiency and sterilizing properties etc.... anyone severely immunosuppressed would be vulnerable (but herd immunity would have protected them)

This doesn't mean the vaccines do not work in protecting against serious illness

If the vaccine actually prevented serious illness in all cases, we could handle the unvaccinated cases in ICU.

It does, figures in ICU based on unvaccinated vs vaccinated prove this

And if we actually opened society properly, and 100% fully vaccinated, we will still have hundreds of vaccinated in hospital.

It would be easier solve world peace than get 100% vaccination uptake in society.

So for the common man who doesn't work in healthcare, but has the government micromanaging his life again this Winter, the vaccines has not actually worked, certainly in Ireland

Using them to base government policy on is nonsense though. Just think about the numbers they have bandied about, 200 to 400K is absurd when you look at the total number of recorded infections we've had in 19 months.

Ireland has 91% of over 12s vaccinated

Since the start of this, we've been told that we need to have 94% immunity across the whole population (including children) for herd immunity

Children under 12 aren't eligible for the vaccine, so that means all adults needed to step up and take the vaccine for the good of society

Unfortunately about 10 in 10 adults are too scared or selfish to do the right thing, and now, more than half of the ICU beds are taken up with less than 10% of the unvaccinated population