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Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty

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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Seems like the foreman is a woke “I want to speak to the manager” type who made her mind up a year ago based on CNN’s trash coverage and is now frustrated that people won’t just listen to her and send a kid to prison for life. So she’s going home with her little bit of paper to try and come up with an argument why clear self defence isn’t.

    IMO the standard should be 10/12 to avoid letting ideologues trash cases like this.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The fact they finished an hour early would seem to me that they are either a, nowhere near making a decision or b, fed up in the jury room. Why on earth would they want to finish early and yet still bring the instructions home with them? Strange going ons in that jury room it seems.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    That one woman is probably getting on their nerves trying to convince them not to believe their lying eyes.

    Hopefully there are enough principled people on the jury who will resist her ****. It only takes one really.

    The defence should be shoring up their mistrial filing in the meantime and they should stick with prejudice.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Rittenhouse beats the charges against him, I wonder does he just keep the head down afterward, or does he do appearances at NRA conventions, or on conservative news outlets just going, "Yeah, well, I did what I had to do, and thank god for guns." 'cause there's money to be made in that, but the problem is that with the crying he did on the stand, it would take the sheen of him if he wanted to go that route. Every time he would talk about taking care of business, you'd have that mental image of him hyperventilating on the stand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    We don't even know if he is a conservative, or indeed how conservative.

    Could be just a normal everyday kid who didn't want his father's town to be burned to the ground by scumbags pedophiles and racists like Rosenbum etc.

    It's all assumptions. That's what the media have been filling people's heads with to build their narrative.

    You seem to have been reeled in by it, hook line and sinker.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Hopefully we’ll have a result tomorrow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Strange the the court had the prosecution fbi film in vlc format that wouldn't work on Microsoft media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Where in my post did I say he was a Conservative himself?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's strange about that?

    The prosecution sent a copy of the fbi drone footage to the defence team that was not the original. Someone on the defence team said it was created about 20 minutes after the original, according to the meta data. The prosecution tried to blame the defence for the 'accidental' compression of the file but it seems it was already compressed before being sent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Well the go to program for playing the file/video would be Windows media player but this file was in a a format that it didn't work on that program so they used VlC player.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭2ndcoming




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    From the video posted here it seems the given to defence was compressed and in a format that didn't play on Windows media player the default on most laptops.

    So they had to download VlC player to play the video.

    That is all messed up. IMO



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I still don't get it why is that messed up? The footage came from an FBI drone so maybe VLC just has the codec to play the file while windows media player doesn't? I stopped using win media player along time ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    It's not the FBI drone footage.

    This is footage that was apparently dropped off a few days ago by an anonymous source who didn't want to be named. But the (original) video had a strange aspect ratio, and has since been shown to be a video that was aired on Fox News last year, and the aspect ratio is strange because the top part of the video that includes the Fox logo has been cropped.

    I don't honestly know how they were able to get the video admitted, considering the time that's lapsed, the anonymous, unknown source, and how easy it is to manipulate and edit video footage to add, remove or change details, but here we are.

    That video was not the one that was sent to the defense, anyway. The video the defense was sent was a much lower resolution and had been renamed.

    Kraus (the co-prosecutor) had his laptop on screen in the trial, and he has two video editing programs on his computer that would generally only be used by professionals working regularly with video editing - coincidentally they just happen to be one that is used for cropping video and one that is used for reformatting at different resolutions.

    IF the judge decides to carry out his stated intention to take testimony under oath from the prosecution about how the "mix up" occurred, and take Kraus' laptop into evidence so that an expert can look through the log files of those video editing programs, Kraus might find himself in some seriously deep **** of his own. Tampering with evidence in a capital murder case is a very serious crime.

    New video and photos have also come to light from earlier in the day of the shootings, clearly showing Rittenhouse and his friend with the owners of Car Source, who testified under oath as prosecution witnesses that they didn't know Rittenhouse of his friend and had never spoken to them or been aware that they were intending to guard the place. The prosecutors apparently had access to these photos and videos, and therefore may be guilty of suborning perjury. The penalty for that is disbarment and/or suspension of their license.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Matt Gaetz said his office is open to hiring Kyle Rittenhouse as a congressional intern if he's 'interested in helping the country in additional ways'

    "He deserves a 'not guilty' verdict, and I sure hope he gets it, because you know what, Kyle Rittenhouse would probably make a pretty good congressional intern," Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida said. "We may reach out to him and see if he'd be interested in helping the country in additional ways."



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Another Germanic surname!

    wow, the German's have really been patient and played the long game, before finally deciding to take over America! 😀

    In fairness, although this must be horrible for a 17 year old kid to go through, these things can be the making of someone when/if they come out the other side. Rittenhouse did appear to have some aspirations to serve his community in some civic capacity before all of this crap happened. Hopefully he doesn't get used by people with shady ulterior motives, which is always possible with an impressionable naive teenager. (particularly in the dirty world of politics)

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,749 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This 17 year old is made for life. He is a republican hero. In America shooting people is profitable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    If the kid has any sense, he'd be better off staying well away from that sleazeball.

    Though I imagine Gaetz is only interested in him as he's proven himself as a minor who crosses state lines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Man spotted with AR-15 outside Kyle Rittenhouse trial confirms he is a fired Ferguson police officer

    KENOSHA — A man who screamed obscenities about Black Lives Matter and carried an AR-15 rifle outside the Kenosha County Courthouse while the Kyle Rittenhouse jury deliberated is a former Ferguson, Missouri, police officer, he confirmed Thursday.



    Bloody blm at fault again!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    In terms of gun control objectives, what would be the point of putting this guy in prison?

    You are making a martyr out of someone, who your opponents can very clearly show was using his weapon in self defense. And is a clean-cut kid with no criminal record. It would be counter productive.

    You're actually strengthening the case of the pro-gun lobbyists. Especially considering the ridiculous arguments made by the prosecution, suggesting Rittenhouse should have "just taken a beating". No self respecting pro-gun American is ever going to buy into that sort of rhetoric. The whole point of being pro 2nd amendment, is that you are self-reliant and can take measures to protect yourself instead of just rolling over and allowing yourself to be an easy victim.

    "Just take a beating" is one of the worst quotes to come out of this trial. And many American's will see that as being the antithesis of what it means to be an American.

    Let your city burn, and just take a beating! (and while you're at it, bow and take a knee as well) lol

    If you really want to make an example out of someone, with this objective in mind, the guy you want to go after would be someone like Gaige Grosskreutz. A man with a criminal record (domestic abuse, burglary and more), who was running around with a gun that he wasn't legally entitled to be carrying on the night.

    Excuse the pun, but the left in America are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to these issues. Even pushing for such a high profile trial of Rittenhouse, is a perfect opportunity for their opponents to shine a nice big bright light on some of the horrible characters that make up these BLM type movements - who would otherwise get to hide like the cowards they are in a big crowd.

    You're probably right, the republicans will be laughing all the way to the bank with this circus. It's a massive own goal from the left.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,246 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The trial sounds bizarre, alright, but it shouldn't be viewed through a political spectrum.

    A minor shot three people and killed two of them. The circumstances and the background should be investigated and the evidence presented and a judgement made on that basis.

    This isn't/shouldn't be about Dems vs. Republicans/"Left vs. Right"/etc. (I know that, sadly, it has become that). People championing this as a win or a loss for either side need to get a grip. Two people are dead and a young man has to face up to the consequences of his actions that are going to greatly affect the rest of his life.

    People using the trial for political point scoring are disgusting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Haven't fully read into that story but yeah, seems like he was there to counter the BLM supporters. I wouldn't be a supporter of how he seems to be conducting himself.

    From the little news report I did read, it seems that he has complied with all police directions.

    What was your point?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The only people arrested outside the courtroom so far was one kid wearing a 'fcuk kyle' t-shirt and another lady who claimed to be a leader of some black lives matter chapter. I saw some footage it seemed she just wanted to along for the craic, the kid though attacked a woman and a journalist. Of course that MSNBC journalist was arrested aswell and banned from the court-room for following the jury.

    They really are reaching for straws here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Again the assymetry in violence between left and right.


    The right will show up, shout some things and generally not get violent. They might be armed and shout obscenities but that's not really a crime.


    The left on the other hand, are always the ones who get physical. They try to grab signs and damage people's property, and show no respect for police.


    There will be exceptions to the rule, no doubt, but the pattern is clear to anyone with eyes and an open mind.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He is not a republican hero because he shot people.


    He is a hero because he went out that night with good intentions, to try and protect the people/businesses in the nearest big city to him which was being burned and looted over misinformation in the media.


    He found himself in a life threatening situation by some pretty gruesome people, and defended his life. He then handed himself in to police.


    People have sympathy because his name has been dragged through the mud, he is anything from a murderer to a white supremacist apparently, with no evidence to back it up. His life has been turned upside down based on what was intended to be a good deed. The context has been completely stripped on the propaganda in the media paints a distorted picture.


    People also don't like the idea of mob rule, of media misinformation, of juries being intimidated into giving the "correct" verdict. THAT'S why people are rooting for him.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But that's referring to "terrorism" i.e. guns/bomb plots. I'm referring more to political violence in the form of rioting/looting.


    You see I am referring to arson and property damage which doesn't fit the FBI's profile of "domestic terrorism" so is conveniently omitted. This is a massive assymetry - the left loves arson and property damage - "burn this MF'er down" - whereas the right tend to be property owners and have no interest in destroying things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Are you for real?

    But but but the violence, no not that type of violence!

    Do you have a shred of evidence to back up “the left loves arson and property damage”.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The summer of love 2020 was quite arson-y and property damage-y and was condoned and sometimes encouraged by politicians and people on the left.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You'll figure out how the world works some day, don't worry.



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