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Mammy dropping kids to school in the car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,147 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    My kids both walk, cycle or scooter to school and back. I walk with them to school as my daughter who is in Senior Infants would still be a bit young, my son (9) walks home from school by himself. Now I will clarify that I only live literally 5 mins from the school which is in a rural village.

    When my daughter goes into 1st Class in September and finishes at the same time as my son I will allow them to walk to and from school together by themselves. I'm a stay at home parent so could easily drop and collect them but I feel it's important for them to have some independence without having their parents scrutinising what they are doing. Some of the best fun I remember having with friends was walking to and from school.

    I would go up and collect them if it were lashing raining though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Everybody rushing around to join the next queue. And pushing their kids the same way. And screw anybody who gets in their way. Biggest car wins.

    Post edited by SuperBowserWorld on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Jeremy Sproket


    So who has priority then? 🙄

    Let me guess .... the ones who pay "road tax".



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    God, some people are so pass commentable.

    If someone decides to drive their kids to school that's their business. Not anyone elses.

    This thread is just another thread created by a cyclist to give other cyclists an excuse to bitch about cars users.

    One of several the OP has started.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh wait, you're 28? And female? And part Swedish? Again:-)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'll bet you have the big SUV driven right up to the gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Still interested in seeing that photo of "many" people cycling with 2 or 3 the same size on the same bike, each one with a heavy bag ... :)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No kids or SUV thank fook.

    Where I live, the schools are very close by - driving kids to them wouldn't even be practical. But I don't think there's anything wrong with driving a child to school even if it's just a mile away. Particularly during bad weather.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They're obsessed. Particularly raging that they don't have a teaching job.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree definitely during bad weather, times have changed now too, what we were allowed do as children wouldn't be considered safe today. But loads of kids from my estate used to walk together to school.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Ah shure, jaysus, BOY...sure I wouldn't rcognise a feckin ting, like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Lots of kids walk to school in our area. But lots are driven in due to the admissions or poor infrastructure.

    The kids who play sports are out in all weathers training and competing far harder than we ever did in our day.

    The kids aren't driving themselves to school. It's the parents choice.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh yeah plenty of kids do walk to school, and the small ones with their mam/dad and there's the lollipop lady/man. It's a good thing to do when practical. Or to take the school bus. Or car pool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Let your kids not walk on a wall


    If a kid is not allowed to climb a wall then that kid will develop vertigo (perhaps not vertigo..but fear of heights) and a fear AND a lack of confidence.

    Then spend money because they can't spend thrir lives crossing a road or being terriffied of stairs.

    "Don't climb that tree...you might fall out'''and we'l have to see because you chipped a tooth


    A child comes running back to Mum or Dad with a huge bee or wasp sting on the hand, bad day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    What? They are way more likely to develop a fear of heights from some heights based trauma not because their parents kept them safe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭vixdname


    This bolloxology about cars outside schools in the morning is ridiculous.

    Firstly, most parents who are dropping their kids off at school in the morning are then driving straight to their place of work, theyre not parking there for the fun of it .....for those whinging about the cars what do you expect these parents to do when they have kids too young to walk or cycle to school on their own ?

    Walk to the school with their kids, then walk back to their homes and pick up their cars and then drive to work ? Just to keep you happy ?

    Whats an acceptable distance from a home that kids should be ok to walk or cycle from ?

    Basically any distance over a mile is too far to ask any kid to cycle to school every morning in all weathers and most families dont live within a mile of their kids school, hence the cars ......

    Its also not fair to expect youngsters walk to school on their own in all weather, and theres the danger of kids crossing busy roads on their own....not mine.

    Parents drive their kids to the school for many and varied reasons and dont enjoy the manic traffic anymore than anyone else, they dont do it for fun, but mostly out of sheer necessity, and if those necessities cause some people to be stuck in traffic a bit longer than usual then tough s**t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "...Basically any distance over a mile is too far to ask any kid to cycle to school every morning in all weathers and most families dont live within a mile of their kids school, hence the cars ........."

    Basically it take about around 5-6 mins a mile at a slow pace. If they play sports they'll be running for 30~60 mins. Its actually no distance on a bicycle. You'd think nothing of it in a park.

    The issue is more if a its suitable route. Infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I find it unbelievable that we can drop billions for covid, bank bailouts etc etc at the drop of a hat, but for safe sustainable strategic transport, buttons.

    If we can't do that then there should at least be free regular bus services to take kids who are not safe distance from schools, to/from school.

    Adding more cars won't fix the problem.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Today was the first day in ages that I have driven in to work. Driving along in a line of traffic the Newcastle Rd in Lucan, I slowed to let a mini-bus with kids in it pull out of an estate. Two cars behind me beeped presumably in complaint. Once I started moving again, I drove along and (within the speed limit) caught up with the line of traffic again at the next lights (~200m) which were red. The cars behind didn't lose any time yet they weren't beeping at me for stopping for the red. People once they get behind the wheel seem to disassociate themselves from the outside world and see themselves as the most important person and feck everyone else. For what?

    We can't seem to develop sustainable transport projects in this country.

    BusConnects - NIMBYist people complained and populist politicians pandered to those shouting loudest meaning that what we are getting is a heavily diluted version of what was originally proposed (by a transport expert).

    Cycle lanes - you get the likes of Mannix Flynn objecting because people should be allowed drive wherever they want and you can't be taking away road space from drivers. The majority of cycle lanes that are built are desdigned for one cohort of people travelling: drivers. They are not designed for people cycling. The majority of them are simply a box ticking exercise and designed by people who don't cycle and really haven't a clue about cycling infrastructure. Many of the cycling aspects of BusConnects have received recommendations to implement proven designs from the Dutch but these are ignored in favour of designs from the inexperienced Irish councils who believe that they know better.

    Footpaths - many have been narrowed by the introduction of street clutter over the years and then this is compounded by our sense of entitlement to park our vehicles on them as we see fit. Many footpaths are blocked so that anyone pushing a buggy or using a wheelchair must pass the vehicle by walking on the road.

    Want a motorway? Sure thing, here's a billion for it 😕



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Plenty of parents are heading home to bed or off to coffee after as well

    The issue is the ones who dont need to be there and for the ones that do, its the me fein i need to park right at the gate and block everyone else that is the issue

    3-5k is easy for infants and then further as they get older, probably few enough further than that from primary anyway in cities or country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    The older a man gets the further he had to walk to school :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    walking bus

    let 2/3 parents supervise 20 children walking the last 3km to school

    park away from school and walk there together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    just park away from school and walk the last few 100m yourself, no need to over complicate things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    My kids school is accross two fields from where they live so no issues there walking going to school.

    But when we were going to the same school when we were young we lived in a house just a few hundred meters down the road from there.

    You couldnt go across that field then because there was no bridge on the river at the time. So you used to have to walk 1km to the old bridge along the road.

    We used to play football on the road on the way to and from school, with goals in the middle of the road there was that little traffic. That was about 30 years ago.

    I cycle that road now every day now and im afraid for my life with the traffic on it now.

    No way would i let a child walk along that road nowadays.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Gosh this thread is pretty unpleasant. As the dad of a kid going to school next year I may very well have to end up driving her to school. My school of choice which is easily walkable to didn't have a place for her. The school she'll hopefully get a place in is about 3km away. I don't know how many 5 year olds are street savvy. If we get somewhere that is walkable to, then yes we'll do that but there may be no choice but to drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Again admission polices and infrastructure.

    And I'll add as part of infrastructure we are creating lifestyles and planning infrastructure that gives people no choice except to drive.

    Look at wfh. That must stop a lot driving to school and to work. But there's huge resistance to it. Building massive estates with no school provision. No jobs nearby.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Buses used to do a good job, often private buses too.

    When I was young we all made our way to school by walking, buses and some cars. But there never seemed to be the amount of cars there are now. Maybe it’s that so many of the parents are driving these large SUV’s it seems so clogged up.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Not just that, those estates that we are building aren't joined up to others so many people walking from one estate to another may have a long walk around both estates to arrive. However, people in an existing estate often don't want adjacent estates to access their one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    That's due to poor design. If you have to make someone else's road a rat run, even for pedestrians, its a sign of very poor planning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    When I was young practically obody had two cars. Dads generally had a car and drove it to work, mammys stayed at home with the kids. Now for better or worse lots of families, I’d say most but not sure, both parents work and usually have two cars. Often they drop on the way to work. Cars take up an enormous amount of space so it looks like everyone is driving when it’s not at all. 50/60 cars pulling up to a school take up a huge amount of space but they might only account for 100 pupils with another 150 walking or cycling. Whilst I think it’s a problem I think a lot is perception. Your use of the word seems is spot on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    When school is not on there's an immediate drop in traffic. Number of cars is still the number of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,467 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Well not really unless the school is exactly on the route from the house to work. So there might be the same amount of cars, although obviously a bit less because there are plenty who just drop to school and go home, on the road but the journeys will be direct so less traffic going to the schools and back to the route to work. Plus schools all tend to have roughly the same start times so it adds to the timing but parents not dropping may leave a bit earlier depending on how their hours work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    We dont do it ourselves but you can sense parents are under pressure in the morning and have no patience for adding to it. Getting kids up, dressed and fed and out the door (sometimes on their own as the other partner is gone to work beforehand), and then trying to get into work on time themselves. Its a ball of stress but its the way the modern world has gone with both parents often having to work.

    We have 2 young kids ourselves and they will test you most mornings, tiredness tantrums, dragging of heels, wont get dressed etc. And then kids can and do drag their heels walking to school. It can be painful sometimes, one kid racing off on the scooter and other lagging behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's not a slight difference. It's a dramatic difference.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Many parents coordinate so one of them is off work at the same time as the schools are closed. Hence drop in cars.

    Anyone I work with who has primary school age kids, was on annual leave for the mid term a couple of weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    First off...I didn't say that it's commonplace to see someone cycling with 2 passengers and all 3 carrying a heavy bag. I said that one often sees a cyclist carrying a passenger and sometimes two passengers. I was comparing the wight of a passenger to the weight of a schoolbag...i,e, that a human is a lot heavier than a bag of books, yet some posters kid is two weak to carry a schoolbag on a bicycle but people can quite comfortabley ride a bicycle with a human being sitting on the carrier.


    These kids all seem to be managing and some of thoses schoolbags look pretty weighty to me.

    [youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrQ-d2PBUto [/youtube]

    [youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojb7OKz6wKk [/youtube]


    But I'll try and get you some pics of people cycling through Amsterdam carrying passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    seems I can't embed videos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭LillySV


    And a warden with a baton to hammer the shite out of any adult cyclists who choose not to follow the rules themselves at pedestrian crossings, junctions etc .

    :)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Those bags look a hell of a lot smaller then what my daughter used to have to carry to secondary school.

    She actually sees an osteopath now for issues with her back, I blame the schoolbag.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    No, I always wore a seatbelt, but it's predictable that you come out with such immature, snotty and extreme rubbish like that. Someone says they walked to school and your infantile response is "Oh and I suppose you got up at the crack of dawn and went out with your bow and arrow to "catch" breakfast."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    We don't get monsoons in Ireland. Yes it rains quite often but it doesn't rain everyday and you could go weeks without it raining during the school commute timeframe. It might rain later in the day and clear up or rain in the evening or during the night but it wasn't a frequent occurence for it to be bucketing down between 8:30 and 9:00 am in my recollection. And kids aren't going to dissolve if it rains. Put on the anorak and pull up the hood and put on the wellies. If a kid goes to the park playing and the heavens open is it the end of the world? Whoever invented those Dunnes Stores snorkel jackets must have made a fortune because EVERYONE in school wore one. They were waterproof AND fur-lined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Stop putting words in my mouth, Flinty, I never said "many" and I never said they were carrying heavy bags. You shoe-horned that in there to give yourself a get-out clause in case I posted a picture that conforms to my description but doesn't strictly adhere to yours. Go back and read what I wrote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Studies prove you wrong.



    Climbing walls, trees, monkey-bar frames help develp a child spatial and directional awareness and problem solving skills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace



    Are you nuts? A mile on a bike is nothing.....5 minutes maybe as Flinty mentioned. Send a kid out to play on his/her bike with mates at 10am on a Saturday morning. They'll be out all day cycling around, racing, trying to do wheelies. They'd probably rack up 20 miles on the bike during the day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Just showed the kids this! They think it's hilarious. "Any distance over a mile is too far to ask a kid to cycle" LOL!! no wonder there's an obesity problem. One of mine skateboards in over a mile, across roads and it's only rained twice since he went back.

    They want to know where you live.

    Post edited by John_Rambo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    A common failing in this country is an unwillingness or inability to purchase and wear proper rain gear. Its hard for some to understand but there are countries far wetter and colder than this one and *gasp* people actually live in them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Unless the school is only up the street, if you are able to drive your child(ren) and some neighbouring children to school when it's pouring rain, you're not being an overly mollycoddling parent.

    A mile isn't too much for all kids of course but of course it is for small children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace



    Really? What I see is a load of people cycling to school. I Also see some mothers passing by with a pup on front and back. Now shall we ask all these people if it is raining that they won't bike or walk to school...forget about the weight of the books. Apparently it's too cold to cycle to school if it's wet.

    These Dutch kids cycle to school EVERDAY...and get home in the evening to have a snack and do their homework before dinner at maybe 6 or 7.....but it's too fcuking dangerous and wet and cold in Ireland. They have to be dropped off in a steel tank.


    And the best response is...."Oh, you walked to school 20 miles in your bare feet." ... just because you walked 1k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace



    REALLY?

    I don't know of a single mother who would allow her child to get wet or cold. Nor do I know of a single woman who would stand by and see their pup or anyone elses be cold. Women are like that, you know...but they will watch as children, theirs and other's wrapped up, go out to play or to school.

    Strange breed ...these women.



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