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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Interesting but not really surprising...

    from this tweet...




  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    How do you make any progress at all if you never "undertake"? Impossible to cycle anywhere in Dublin without undertaking and I'd fell much safer undertaking than always overtaking on the right, into the middle of road? Something tells me you don't actually cycle regularly, if at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭buffalo


    In practice it can be a right of way over cyclists coming from behind, as they are not allowed overtake on the left if a driver has indicated an intention to turn and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle (as per the relevant SI).



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The truck on the double-yellows at the start just down from a busy junction isn't helping much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    Probably the last I'll comment on this as I figured this discussion was just going to go this way, but just to counter whatever is telling you I don't cycle at all - I cycle plenty - just over 6100 km in the last 12 months. And I have plenty experience cycling - started racing underage in the '80's. However I also drive (and have done so competitively also) so I have an awareness from that perspective too (I get the feeling that this thread is populated by a lot of non driving cyclists - and probably a good percentage of those are a certain type also I'd say)

    I've never had an accident with a car while on my bike. Could I have had - yes - if I cycled with the assumption that everyone around me was going to do everything by the book and had excellent cycling or driving ability. They don't. There are a lot of idiots out there. And that is why everyone has a duty of care to themselves by having the awareness of what could happen. She did not show that at all.

    That cyclist in the video could have made reasonable progress if she had been travelling at the same speed as the van. The difference in speed was marginal and from whoever posted the screenshot above it is very clear that the indicator was on BEFORE she had passed the back of the van. And no one has acknowledged that the side repeaters would also have been in her view even when she started passing.

    Back to the cycling training, racing and equipment topics of this forum for me though - this thread turned out to be what I expected - sorry I posted here. One for me to avoid in the future. 🙄



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    good lord, people are disagreeing with you; it's not the end of the world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    I was there , I felt that this was going to happen the van was slowing like the driver was looking for a turn , as an experienced cyclist I know that it was likely the driver was going to turn, probably without checking their mirrors , the title I said was "late indication and turn" .

    If the driver had checked their mirror prior to indication , the cyclist would likely passed without incident, and the van could have made the turn. Safely



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I'd actually say the opposite is true, that most of the cyclists here are drivers too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'd say the percentage of cyclists that drive is about 95% to 100% on this thread & adding to that, I'd say they are excellent motorists that take things in to consideration that most motorists that don't cycle don't. I'd hazard a guest that the (maybe) 5% that don't drive did at one stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    You didn't actually answer the specific question I asked. I'd agree that the cyclist in the video wasn't as aware as she should have been. But always overtaking on the right is, for me, just not possible in a city environment which is where I do my cycling. YMMV.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I hate the new quote function on the site so apologies for this:

    I get the feeling that this thread is populated by a lot of non driving cyclists - and probably a good percentage of those are a certain type also I'd say: Yeah but no. As far as I know, bar one or two posters, almost everyone here drives on a regular basis. I do so for work, now at nearly 30 years without an accident. I am technically a professional driver, I have a license for pretty much every road legal vehicle as my father found it beneficial when he was younger when times were tough and he had me get ever license going as soon as I could. Does this mean I am a good driver. Christ on a bike no, not being in an accident doesn't make you good, it makes you lucky. The one accident while driving was due to a lad rear ending me at a set of lights. Again, its not just luck bit not being in an accident doesn't make you good and being in one doesn't make you bad. Life is a tad more nuanced than that. Anyone who thinks not being in an accident, whether a cyclist or a motorist makes them good is delusional, all it proves s that you might be lucky, nothing more.

    I've never had an accident with a car while on my bike. Could I have had - yes - if I cycled with the assumption that everyone around me was going to do everything by the book and had excellent cycling or driving ability. They don't. There are a lot of idiots out there. And that is why everyone has a duty of care to themselves by having the awareness of what could happen. She did not show that at all.- if you think that is the only factor that has saved you from an accident then I would be concerned for your road awareness. Accidents happen to good drivers and cyclists all the time.

    That cyclist in the video could have made reasonable progress if she had been travelling at the same speed as the van. The difference in speed was marginal and from whoever posted the screenshot above it is very clear that the indicator was on BEFORE she had passed the back of the van. And no one has acknowledged that the side repeaters would also have been in her view even when she started passing.- For a single second, ffs, so she should have dropped anchor? Not saying her cycling doesn't have issues but to put the blame on her is a seriously warped view of what is happening.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    worst one in a good while for me just now; on the road running along the runway, i could see an artic approaching, and knew there was one behind me. so says i to myself 'at least the lad behind me will wait till the onoming lad has passed'. more fool me. he missed me by somewhere between 30 and 50cm i'd say, at easily over 60km/h, and the oncoming lad blew him the **** out of it, cos he'd probably been at least a metre over the centre line. they passed each other about 50m in front of me.

    there was a cyclist about 100m in front who also got quite the start, he thought it was him who was being blown at.

    oh to have had a camera. at least i got a bit of adrenaline to get me home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Great post, accidents can be a myriad of different actions and inactions each of which in isolation if different would have led to a different conclusion.

    My own had a quite similar build up, saw the indicator and motion to turn, so attempted to swing round for the right overtake, they'd have creamed me otherwise, at which point the vehicle jammed on and i went into the back.

    Guards called with driver claiming i'd rear ended them, long story short they paid for their own damage.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Anyone who cycles around the Leixlip/Lucan/Dunboyne/etc areas wil be familiar with the red double decker busses that are used to ferry contractors from car parks to the Intel construction site. People will also no doubt be familiar with the behaviour of many of their drivers. I'm at the point where I'm fed up with them.

    This was this morning's pointless overtake...




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Complain to Intel - either via Twitter (https://twitter.com/Intel_IRL) or email (intel.ireland.corporate.affairs@intel.com).

    The last time I sent them a video of a stupid overtake, they took strong action against the driver. PM me if you want details.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Same crowd that nearly ran me off the road in Baldonnell a few weeks back. I do a lot of work with Intel so I'll be raising this with them also.

    The bus I was on the receiving end of was 05-G-17730.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    They are a disaster.

    Had a massive row with one driver over the summer.

    I was cycling past the site entrance, on the cycle path.

    He pulled straight out on to me.

    His view was that the Stop/Go board, for the site entrance was on "Go".

    No amount of explaining that it meant nothing to the public road and was only to hold construction traffic meant anything to the dipshit.

    Was working there at the time, went straight into Exyte's safety office and reported his reg.

    They took it very seriously came back to me twice about it.


    FYI. these boys are running the coaches


    Exyte are the main contractor for the site.

    Good luck finding a contact for them anywhere.

    Intel page has this contact

    Media contact: Sarah Sexton |  sarah.sexton@intel.com  | 



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    I actually know that person at Intel through my work interactions with Intel. I’ve emailed the previous address about my experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭benjy1000


    Had a close one yesterday evening, coming down the hill as you approach the Brazen Head pub and just where the cycle land bollards stop, a white van just pulled in to the left right in front of me.

    Someone mentioned above about how aware you have to me and this is so true ,I noticed this van looking to pull in earlier but the bollards stopped him so I was weary of him and thankfully i was because if i had to keep going down the cycle lane ( which of course I was entitled to do) he would have cleaned me out of it.

    I ended up going up on the footpath to go round him and him sitting there on the phone totally oblivious.

    I also see taxi's pulling in there sharply at the pub entrance oblivious to the cycle lane so be careful of that too.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I sent an email to Sarah Sexton in Intel so we'll see if anything happens



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Nothing involving traffic but last night heading home along the cycle lane outside Guinness on the Dublin quays, I picked up this coach screw embedded in the back tyre, straight through and hitting the rim. Thought at first I'd broken a spoke that was hitting the frame on each revolution with the racket it was making before stopping. Tyre didn't blow at least so it was a change of tube and tyre boot to get me home.

    Cycle lane on the quays before O'Connell bridge covered in glass which I'd seen and avoided but never noticed the screw further on. Cycle lanes hardly ever swept so you have to keep your eyes peeled for all sort of obstacles and not just traffic trying to harm you.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Wonder if anyone in the councils ever had a plan how the segregated cycle lanes were going to be cleaned now roadsweepers can't get into them. A lot are just being left to fill up with litter, detritus, and especially leaves at the mo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    I’ve had 5 punctures in the last two weeks just going to and from work. I thought it was a dodgy batch of inner tubes I’d bought, but I took the tubeless gravel bike to work yesterday when I ran out of tubes to fix the regular commuter hybrid, and I got a puncture in that one as well! Thankfully it sealed itself up again. I’d had one puncture in the last two years before this.

    I don’t really want to ignore the segregated lanes, since most of the new ones are actually quite good when clean, and I don’t want the hassle from drivers. Plus the general lanes are usually at a standstill at commuting times. But I also don’t want a puncture every other day.

    I’m thinking I’m going to have to stick tubeless road tyres on my gravel bike (which is actually my good bike), and use it for the winter commute.

    Is there an ETA for completion of the Griffith Avenue/Ballymun Road junction works, does anyone know? That’s in absolute bits at the moment and I suspect it’s contributed handsomely to that puncture count. I know it’s to improve the cycle infrastructure there, so I’m trying not to get too annoyed about it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have often wondered have they ever thought of sticking a magnet on street sweeper vehicles - is it something that's standard on them?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyway, half an hour ago, out in the car. a cyclist in the bus lane to my left stuck her right arm out and swung out in front of me with nothing approaching a glance backwards. guy behind me nearly ran into me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    I had a cyclist whom I was about to overtake very suddenly decide they had to make a right turn at that moment yesterday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'm primarily a motorist now and I don't overtake cyclists in slow moving urban areas if there's a significant right turn ahead. I hang back for good reason. Also, I usually know by the body language if a cyclist is considering a right turn, they usually position their body more upright, bring their shoulders back, stop peddling, or slow peddle when changing gears and look towards where they want to go before they signal. That's the norm with adult riders.

    Teenage boys on the other hand (particularly in groups) are like a box of special needs frogs on speed. Completely unpredictable & caught up in their own world, they have an unnatural ability to defy the laws of physics & turn on a sixpence without going over the handlebars or cycle for a kilometre on their back wheel only while skilfully steering the bike all over the road. So, I just hang behind them until they're gone another direction or all stop to regroup and consider the rest of their journey.

    Basically, in urban areas I'll only overtake if there's clear sight for a good distance where I can overtake on the wrong side of the road on a broken white line with no traffic lights, stop signs or yield signs ahead.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,397 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'd had the woman on my mental radar, but there was no prior indication she was going to change lane. happened at the location below, and i suspect that given her change of position was so abrupt, if i'd been a bit further forward, she'd actually have cycled into the side of the car.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3996307,-6.2639311,3a,75y,346.81h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Qm25doPrtKcgRjiZOv5NQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Car pulled out in front of me in Shankill the other night and I let an unholy roar out of me as I skidded to a stop. Every pedestrian within 100m stopped. I looked around and seen a dad walking his child to whom I apologised as the words used were not fit for youngun's ears. He just looked at me and said "Don't apologise, are you alright?" It was just a really nice, decent, human reaction. The driver never even acknowledged it, and like many a driver around that part of Dublin, particularly those of a certain age (sorry for the generalisation), didn't really seem to give a f*ck about anyone else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Report this to Intel.


    As above Intel have a no nonsense safety policy. They see anybody doing something stupid its an immediate escort off campus. Can't see them being a fan of this crap.



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