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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I'd say a lot of European countries didnt want to be the 1st to introduce mandatory vacccines.


    Now Austria has its opened it up for the rest



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I wouldn't hang around to find out. Objectors should seek asylum in countries with less harsh laws.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭bloopy


    It is the political fallout that could get very interesting or even dangerous.

    You might be able to force people to take the vaccine against their wishes, but they won't like you for it.

    If anyone was concerned about the rise of the far right before, by doing this you may be giving them an instant (and quite large) voting bloc in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Generally i would be totally against mandatory vaccines.

    However if i believed for one minute that mandatory vaccines would end all this i would say, yep absolutely get it done but we know now it wont!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Oh i agree. I still think it could be coming down the tracks. Even when Covid becomes endemic it will cause huge issues here. Especially in Winter.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭live4tkd


    I agree with `lots of stupid people`! Reckless you say, we have been the most compliant with the longest restrictions in Europe and probably the highest uptake of vaccines in Europe! We are really truly f**king stupid if we tolerate another round of restrictions or even entertain lockdowns in this country! The astronomical bill already (and before anybody chimes in with its about health, it is yes, but with no income no expenditure, no health service!). Our religious cult like obsession with Covid when at least efforts are being made worldwide to try and move on from it! How anyone can defend the buffoons running the country is the height of stupidity at this point:

    1. Lockdowns/restrictions for so long and mixed messaging from NPHET / Government and humans do exactly what humans do! How in the name of all that's holy do we not have a proper group with complete understanding of human behavior at this point!
    2. We have been in a constant state of hyper vigilance heading for the bones of 2 years now! That in itself is psychologically draining! If NPHET were any good, they would know this and should have known i.e. we should have opened in Summer but didn`t fully for the 2nd year in a row. This was the height of stupidity!
    3. We have people who swallow everything that government tells them despite all the bullshit deflection tactics e.g., blame unvaccinated, pregnant women, hospitality, teens, curtain twitching at young people going to nightclubs when NPHET refused to entertain antigen testing or deal with capacity issues properly! Utter stupidity, when we have Paul Reid saying recently that increasing ICU capacity wouldn`t necessarily help! The only reason we are in restrictions or lockdowns is because our health service hasn`t the capacity and for no other reason.
    4. I don`t deny Covid and am vaxxed but have despised the ultra conservative myopic almost religious like response in this country that has divided us as a people, turned us against each other, it is utterly wrong despite the funding our taxes pay the powers that be to sort out a shambolic health service.
    5. We have a cohort of msm personalities who have the **** frightened out of the country, with a percentage of the population who listen to them completely, having the personalities fears constantly projected onto their audience demanding authoritarian type stuff!

    An adult conversation is very long overdue at this point! If you are afraid, stay at home! If you see a crowded place and are uncomfortable, don`t go! As I said before we shouldn`t have the likes of Tony Holohan, Paul Reid at all micromanaging our lives! Get to f**k off the airwaves and sort out the health service, pay staff properly and deal with the annual pressures instead of constant bullshit deflection and blaming of the public! We are utterly stupid to be tolerating even a whiff of this nonsense at this stage after the last few years!

    Its gone on too long having our lives micromanaged by government and worst of all for me NPHET and HSE (both responsible for running our dysfunctional health service!). Some of them suggesting indefinite restrictions. I am sorry I do not exist to manage my life around the HSE ability to manage itself! What a **** existence! My responsibility to the HSE ends with my tax payment!

    The vaccine rollout campaign was a success story so rollout boosters in a similar fashion for anyone that wants them and lets get living normally again.

    Ban NEPHET/HSE from giving any press conferences, have all their figures properly vetted by an independent group, spin free, with any pronouncements from them going through one person appointed by the government only with a singular message as needed!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    I dont think so personally. I think the hope is that the third shot has the same effect it seems to have in Israel. If a third shot doesn't stop surges like we're seeing now, I dont think there will be any more doses unless it's for specific variants.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lot of people excited about what Austria is doing I'd say....🙄



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a good point about going first.

    I always got the impression that Ireland didn't really want to remove restrictions and once the Netherlands blinked first we were more than happy to follow. Now other countries are doing the same.

    Once somebody goes there others use it as justification to do the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭FishOnABike



    Those figures still indicate that all other things being equal they were 4.75 times more likely to end up in hospital if unvaccinated.

    Being vaccinated also reduces the severity and duration of symptoms so not only were they less likely to end up in hospital if they had been vaccinated, if they do end up in hospital they are likely to be in hospital for less time and need a lower level of medical intervention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Are you tired correcting the HSE representative's in the media also?



  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    I would nearly agree with covid certificates if they were used to prevent the unvaccinated from entering a restaurant, but only if it prevented obese members of the public, those with diabetes, underlying heart conditions, severe asthma from entering also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,266 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I'm presuming you can provide a link to the claim of 80% from a HSE official ?

    FYI the 80% the OP quoted isn't accurate so Wolf was spot on to correct it, as of Monday the split was 60% vaccinated, 40% unvaccinated in hospital.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    😂 Are you joking? Why would they decide that 3 is enough?? It'll be vaccines for the next 10 years at least



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,266 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I think you misheard to be honest.

    As of Monday is was a 60/40 split vaccinated/unvaccinated in the total hospital numbers with ICU disproportionally higher in the unvaccinated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,842 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No, but taken out of context is wrong.

    I could easily say only 2% in hospital are unvaccinated with covid. Or that 2 hospitals in Ireland 100% of hospital and ICU admissions are unvaccinated. Both correct statements (2% of the 15k beds in hospitals have covid patients and 2 children's hospitals which had covid positive kids, obviously unvaccinated etc...)

    We can all sore figures to make thinks look better or worse.

    The HSE presser is really for journalists. When they ask Paul Reid why are the hospitals struggling, he would say 20% of our ICU is filled with unvaccinated covid patients, butting a burden on the system. He's explaining why, but the 20% in a sence is not for public consumption as we've seen it causes confusion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    “Ireland places hospitals on war footing” is headline news of Daily Mail. Also mentions Austria and Germany.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,430 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Not much difference with some of the presenters. Claire Byrne is perhaps the worst of all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,430 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Aren't hospitals always on a war footing. They are there to treat people and to deal with emergencies. The impression some of the unions are giving is that the nurses and doctors are useless.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the one thing we can all agree on is that governments are starting to hit the panic button. Vaccines are not doing what they wanted them to.

    They want to be able to keep the threat of lockdown but they know themselves it's unsustainable and not affordable.

    So they've turned their anger and attention to the unvaccinated for now.

    But there is definitely a tone of desperation creeping in. MMs speech the other day was a far cry from the speeches early in 2020. It was less of a request and more of an order.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    Agreed. Israel is offering hope though, they’re apparently doing very well now after a successful booster roll out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    This is not a dig……..turn off notifications, they are damaging to mental health. Our brains have not evolved to have that level of constant exposure to threats and danger. A lot of people I know really struggling now more than any stage of the pandemic. People need to double down on protecting themselves.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Lollipop95


    How does mandatory vaccination work? People not allowed in anywhere unless they get vaccinated? Would that really be enforced in every public setting in Austria?



  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    Eh. Remember how well they were doing after their initial successful vaccine roll out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    One group have health conditions, the other are wilfully ignorant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,770 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Don't forget that 40 % of Unvaccinated comes from about only 8% of the population , So you are far far more likely to be in hospital if you are Unvaccinated ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Increasing chatter about circuit breakers on the wireless and social media 😥

    The modern world is fcuked if we continue to hide away from this.

    Mandatory vaccine talk is probably the most depressing thing iv'e heard since this virus escaped out of the Wuhan lab. Very worried about the glee which many are accepting this fascist ideal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    No references to Israel when cases were through the roof because of the ineffectiveness of the vaccines. We’ll see how many people reference Israel when the need for yet another booster comes around.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    A unvaccinated fit 25 year old won’t need intensive care because of ignorance. An overweight, vaccinated 50 year old just might.



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