Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

The idea of increasing icu beds back in 2009 wasnt just to alleviate COVID 19(because it didnt exist) it was to have more icu beds in the system as is the norm for a modern functioning heavily funded health service.

But hey lets put the people running these organisations up on a pedestal and let them tell us its all our fault!

See below, 2019.

People who should lose their jobs for this systematic failure yet the general consensus is they shouldnt even be looked at until we get over COVID, hmmm!

But whats the alternative?

We dont have a vaccine that stops infections so what do we do? Lock down, lower infection rates, open up and rates go up again, repeat ad infinitum?

Genuinely, what do we do apart from protect as much people as possible from getting sick and dying?

Nobody's being forced to do anything.

Just like having a choice doesn't mean the choice you make is automatically the right one, people are also entitled to hold incorrect opinions. I completely understand these objections to the vaccine. They're irrational and without basis, but that doesn't mean I don't understand them.

If we had ICU capacity even at the OECD average, we would have sufficient capacity to handle the most likely outcome of a complete reopening. We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, with sufficient ICU capacity we'd still be talking about caution and pressure, but we wouldn't be concerned about properly having to tighten restrictions again like Austria or Germany. If the option was there to let it run without killing the hospital system, then sure. People who've chosen to not be vaccinated have chosen to take the risk.

We don't have a time machine though. We've added as much capacity as anyone could reasonably add in 18 months during a global resource shortage. No amount of bleating on about a broken health system can change where we are now.

Cigarettes cause cancer. Alcohol causes liver disease. These products are legal. Why?

My decision to be not vaccinated is far from irrational or without basis, the virus is very low risk to my profile, likewise having a bad outcome from the jab is a slightly lower percentage than having a bad outcome from the virus.

I am extremely fit and healthy, I’ve zero underlying conditions, I’ve had Dexa scans Vo2 tests, heart scans the lot. I’m making my choice based on the science and data not some horseshîte YouTube videos.

This virus is nothing to the real fit and healthy people and to fit and healthy children as the science and data has always shown.

I will not take medicine to protect the health service, I protect it by the massive amounts of taxes I’ve paid for over 25 years.

We do. They've been in use for over a year now. No vaccine in history has ever revealed new side effects more than 8 weeks after inoculation. The long term effects of the covid vaccines are well known. Better than any other vaccine in human history.

Saying you'd definitely refuse a booster out of spite is irrational. It's like voting No on a referendum because you hate the government.

I wouldn't be rushing to get a booster because the statistical benefit to me and to wider society is minimal. But if it's right there and little effort to me, then I will, because there is still some benefit, however small.

You know damn well this is nonsense. "Nobody is forced to do anything", while at the same time implementing restrictions that leave people no reasonable choice in the matter.

In the workplace that sort of **** is called constructive dismissal and is rightly frowned upon, its completely disingenuous to hear similar being trotted out here.

Does anyone know where to find data on what percentage of hospital admissions are vaccinated vs unvaccinated?

This report exists: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/vaccinationstatusweeklyreports/Vaccination%20Status%20of%20ICU%20admissions.pdf

but it begins in April 2021 when most people were unvaccinated. And from then until now, it shows 63% were unvaccinated. I suspect now that 90% of adults are vaccinated, maybe less than 50% of hospital admissions would be unvaccinated by now?

I'm looking for data for a recent 2 week, or 3 month max period, when most people were vaccinated.

This just reminds me of republicans after a mass shooting in the USA, and their "This isn't the time to make decisions about gun control" schtick.

Actually, this is the time. Why should we wait until after the pandemic to reform the health service? Why is there **** all that can be done today? Thats the sort of attitude that has us where we are now, nearly two years of this and still facing lockdowns. Its pathetic on the part of those responsible.

They've every reasonable choice in the matter.

Word there being reasonable. If you want to eat out, eat outside or get a takeaway. If you want a pint, have it outside or have a drink at home. Reasonable choices, reasonable consequences.

It's the main headline on both Sky and BBC websites...

Want your children to have an education, then do what we tell you. But remember, its your choice...