The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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No, my friend, what I am saying that if a majority voted for it, I would accept it .

Now ,my friend, you then queer the pitch by suggesting a “few unionists” might be against it.

It will be almost 50-50 so if you think that it will be all sweetness and light and there will be no reaction………then you need to take a good look at yourself.

You needs to read peoples posts properly before going off half cocked, a chara.

Wasting peoples time.

So we agree that we shouldn't go against the democratic will of the people. There is no sign that it is likely that a majority of the people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland in a border poll - all opinion polls show a border poll would be lost, and the political parties who support a united Ireland have a share of the vote less than 50%.

As you clearly support the democratic will of the people who made the likelihood of a border poll passing a condition of the GFA, you will logically agree that any party or party leader or individual who calls for a border poll when those conditions are unfulfilled is going against the democratic will of the people and is a danger to democracy. That is the logic of your claim to support democracy.

So the majority should remain under British Control because some people not only want a Border Poll to pass but now with a certain margin. Some people claim to be deomocrats, only when it suits. Certain people up north want nothing to do with Britain and with Brexit it gives them another reason to want an United Ireland.

Partition was forced on a sizeable percentage of the population with discrimination imposed on them relating to jobs, burning therir houses, interned and not allowed to vote. I hear a lot of people saying it's up to the irish to make a united Ireland appealing for the Unionists, but when has the Unionist Community ever reached to the Nationalists like celebrating a centenary that was offensive to the majority of Nationlists, won't enact the ILA, march in places where they are not wanted, demanding the protocol be scrapped despite evidence that it is benefiting their economy, what most sensible people want for their community, more jobs, etc but then again Donsaldson said he'd prefer to lose 40000 jobs rather than have a soft brexit.

Their politicians should show some leadership and if it is passed, tell their community to accept democracy. They could also follow Arlenes advice and move to the uk if they want, I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms. It would not be right to have the will of the majority dictated by a minority.

You see, some people don't understand democracy. They think it is only about straight majority votes, but it isn't just about that, it is about a whole lot more. It is about inclusiveness, persuasion, respecting rights, electing representatives etc.

Those who see a border poll as 50.0000001% and deal with the consequences are the sort of black and white thinkers that should never ever be let near the levers of power.

As for the rest, you just want to sink to the level of radical unionism and join them down there somewhere with low standards. Not for me.

You suspect that we'd have all sunshine and rainbows with no problems at all if Unification was regularly polling at ~75%?

That despite years of peace largely secured due to the promise to respect the wishes of the populace to either stay in the UK or to unify with Ireland, the 3/4 of the population who you've just told their vote is worth less than 1/3 of the vote of someone who wants to remain part of the Union will just say, 'ah fair enough'?

I would find it highly undesirable for a border poll to either pass or fail on a close to 50% margin, but I'd be a lot more concerned about what we say about our respect for democracy and international agreements if we ignored it.....and that includes ignoring it by proxy by refusing to call a vote (the power to do so lies with the British SoS for NI by the way, not our government).

I am not in the 75% camp because you will always have people who will vote against it even though they can accept it. However, that doesn't mean I am in the 50% plus one vote thanks to demographic change that Sinn Fein perpetually inhabit.

There was an interview with Naomi Long in last week's Sunday Business Post which neatly addressed this point. She talked about the possibility of a border poll, and expects one in her lifetime (I don't agree by the way) but she also talked about the Sinn Fein inability to address their past which is a bigger problem.

whats the story with this whistleblower ?

Presumably MaryLou and her ‘team’ will fully support the whistleblower like they have done 100% up to now.

Standing by with the popcorn……….🙄