Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

@astrofool 'You're talking about a hypothetical situation that I don't believe will happen for the general population'

According to this morning's news (Sunday Independent) the government are now considering bringing it in.

Edit: 'The Sunday Independent can reveal the Government is examining changes to the Covid Pass that would mean people eligible for a booster shot would not be considered fully vaccinated until they avail of their third jab.

A memo to ministers last week stated: “The Senior Officials Group will further explore the policy and logistical implications of any change to the validity of the Covid Pass in the context of a widespread booster programme.”'

The polio vaccine is inactivated and the virus is largely eradicated, people who had the vaccine back in the early 90s are still protected

Let's see the reasoning behind it, if we go like Israel, something in between or something entirely different.

I guess your opinion is already made up? Care to share it if so?

Yes my opinion is that the covid certs should be scrapped, there should be no discrimination and access to businesses should not be used as a bargaining chip.

Anyone who wants a vaccine should be given one. Otherwise let people go about their lives.

Okay please show me the data which vindicates covid certs.

Presumably there has been a drop in transmission specifically in pubs, cafes, cinemas etc.

What are the transmission numbers pre-cert and post-cert for each or any of these venues? I'm prepared to consider such data if there is any.

You've already made up your mind and you're clearly not for changing it (if anything heading deeper into the no-vax talking points).

(I mean the only data that works is the number of unvaccinated in hospital, most places weren't open or limited open pre-cert so there is no control to compare against, the unvaccinated are taking up 50% of hospital space despite being excluded from locations of high social interaction, data from boosters can be seen from Israel but they are a mix of unvaxxed, double dosed and boosted, but you'll ignore all this).

*Translation - "I've got no data to back up my assumptions, so I'll deflect."

It's been posted multiple times on multiple threads (I edited some back in for others, growleaves mind is not for changing).

I don't trust "stands to reason" in this area, it's hugely complex.

Did you read the article I linked to? The experts seem to reject simplistic analysis.

Oh, OK.

btw, your statement that

is also not supported by evidence

Science Brief: SARS-CoV-2 Infection-induced and Vaccine-induced Immunity

I wouldn't be interested in anything the CDC has to say on this matter. They are highly invested in getting people vaccinated, so the advice is always "well it doesn't really matter just get the jab" despite there being some evidence that getting jabbed after infection increases adverse vaccination reactions. Their vaccination aims preclude them from being able to accurately inform on infection-acquired immunity.

Strong protection for at least 10 months (the longest anyone's been checked in the studies cited in this article) seems to be about right, for now, with some hope that immunity will end up being similar to that of SARS-CoV, where people still have immunity 17 years after infection.

The Science article was good, btw. Thanks.

Heading out for the day. Peace.

The vaccinated just can't seem to help themselves but to spread Covid all over. They need to be reined in. 😂

If anybody over 18 who needs intensive care and refused to get vaccinated earlier this year should be de-prioritised over people who got the jabs and are in a similar situation given the lack of hospital beds currently.

Everyone who expresses this opinion should be jailed for the good of society.

I've just returned from the North Pole. I was liaising with Santa Claus (I'm part-elf).

Santie was going to leave a lump of coal for the unvaccinated but that plan has changed since we remembered that coal is climate-unfriendly.

Instead the unvaccinated will get empty stockings on Christmas morning.