Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

With milk probably going past 40c base next year I can't see stock getting cheaper. And if fertilizer can be sourced albeit expensive that sort of milk price will more than compensate. If fertilizer can't be got then thats another story...

Neighbour tried to buy old stock can last week of local glanbia co-op offered 625 euro a ton immediate payment and they wouldn't sell, they have locked away any stock they have and aren't selling so much as a bag at the minute...

Heard from a pretty reliable source if they divided out what fertilizer they had in stock two weeks ago it would work out at half a ton per active co-op member

Could there be a reference year on cow numbers? I have beet ordered. Problem here is some of the land is too hilly to spread.

I’ll get rid of 3 titters or anything that’s not performing but definitely not heifers if it comes to that

It’s not slurry I’m on about using it’s well diluted slurry with dairy washings and rain water, a local man I know did just that this year after seeing Kevin o Hanlon at it and has reduced his fert usage in half

we're fine for peak milk

peak milk won’t be an issue next year

Next year will be 20% 1st calvers, 30% 2nd and 50% 3rd. Only 1 cow replaced due to death with a twisted gut. Everything else went in calf.

Calving will be 89% from Jan 15th to March 10th. The rest are all done by April 4th on due dates.

Critical to put in place a realistic plan to bank enough winter feed for 2022. That plan will include, culling, conserving this year's stocks, and securing the fertiliser for not only the silage ground, but also enough of your grazing ground, so that you don't have to resort to grazing your silage next May....We've had high prices before, but we've never had the a set of circumstances like we have at present.

There's enough fertiliser in the country for the Jan /Feb period importers holding off placing March orders.

Some form of commitment will have to be given to importers to go and secure March product...and they won't secure it for less than the quoted current prices. Coops may be able to give that commitment, as they can recover any loss, but a farmer buying through non coop merchants is either going to have to pay up front, have some kind of cast iron contractual agreement, or run credit for one third of your normal tonnage allowance.

Merchants are going to double their margin (for security) and this is on a trebled product price.

Secure it...piece by piece where you can beg borrow and steal..

All I’ll say is I’m ruleing nothing out to do as alps said secure winter 2022 fodder and avoid having to graze silage ground in April /may …..off loading some heifer weanlings or in calf heifers and pulling the hand break for a year ….nothing wrong with it

on the Glanbia peak supply ….the factory isn’t built ,stock are on ground ,herds maturing that issue will be very real

so ye think we have problems, spare a thought for farmers in British Columbia and Washington state flooding

https://www.thebullvine.com/news/thousands-of-farm-animals-dead-in-b-c-floods-agriculture-minister-says/#

who was the galway lad

Kevin Moran, I'd say, he must of put in a merry go round if that's the case, had a team of lads working for him when he was wheeled out on tour a few years ago

Found over years your often told a lot of stuff at farm walks …..your also not told lots …don’t get too hung up on any of them any more …Tegasc advice ditto ..clover has moved on ,I’m a fan but it’s limited in what it’ll do in a lowish sr scenario it thrives ,higher sr it’s a help and I find that’s it you’ll save a bit on fertiliser for 2/3 months if weather is good .didn’t bother with the conference earlier ,don’t know if I missed much .presume it was dara Killeen or Kevin Moran they were on about in Galway

Whether we like it or not N use is gonna be reduced so figuring out if it can be used in your situation is what needs to be done. Clover taking over wasn't an issue, it's bare patches in spring and autumn and lower ground cover along with persistency in heavy ground due to less chance to graze without damage in the shoulders along with weed management then as well

To manage the shoulders at least a bale extra per cow is reccomended.

Find out what info is there and take what ye want from it, no one makes anyone do anything, well bar the buckos in Europe and then the dep interpretation of it...

Let's say on a 100 cow herd, a bale a cow is 2000 euros for talk sake with added fert usage for those paddocks. Are the savings that huge when you have to use clover safe sprays also