Austria hits panic button.

"disproportionate numbers of unvaccinated covid patients"

I've never seen anyone get so much mileage out of one phrase. How about "A disproportionate number of ICU patients are vaccinated" - given that this is exactly what the vaccine is supposed to prevent?

Why aren't the statistics on the unvaccinated in giant neon lights in the news every evening? If the unvaccinated are causing all the problems then they should be sticking the statistics in our face loud and clear. But they don't.

We were discussing the risk of Covid vs the risk from the vaccines. Between those two, and those two only, the risk from Covid is higher.

@faceman 'Those people wouldn’t have died when they did had it not been for covid.'

Many would have. Deaths from respiratory illnesses are the commonest cause of death among the elderly in the world.

How can anyone believe that every covid death is premature? There's no reason to think that either statistically (age of death often 83 years old) or just from common sense.

I know people hate links to long podcasts etc but the first 13 mins of this one directly addresses the topic of this thread including an interview with the Austrian chancellor.

[Newshour] Austria plans mandatory Covid vaccine

 https://podcastaddict.com/episode/131563485

Why are you zoning in on the unvaccinated? 4 in 10 cases among the vaccinated is the more shocking statistic here. And once we see the immunity wain amongst all the 30-60 year olds - the unvaccinated figures will be a drop in the ocean.

The media frenzy on the unvaccinated will be long gone in a few weeks when we see that they are not the problem

The extent to which they reduce transmission is underwhelming to people, when they see locations with high vaccination such as Waterford (or Ireland itself) teeming with infection.

Without sterilising immunity vaccinated people just will spread it.

To seize on the small sub-group of unvaccinated people and try to blame them for everything is gross and dishonourable.

They've been in some form of lockdown or quasi-lockdown for 14 months. The last time a now-unvaccinated person could legally enter a pub or restaurant in Ireland was at the beginning of September 2020.

I would love to know who would be scapegoated next if we did have 100% vaccination. We cycle through scapegoats.

You realise you've essentially just said ”f*ck them, whoever can't get treated in the hospitals deserves to die". You can stew on that for a bit and see if you can put it some other way (or deflect, always deflect).

Do you really think people who’ve already refused to get the vaccination against all logic and reason would somehow then be more willing than vaccinated people to get themselves tested if suffering from common symptoms? That’s really clutching at straws to find some excuse for the far greater percentage of cases among unvaccinated.

If the hospitals are overrun, lots of people will die, you seem to want that to happen, it is utterly bizarre behavior.

There is one glaring statistic. About 7% of the population is unvaccinated. These are the people when they get infected are taking up over 60% of hospital beds and ICU beds compared to the 90+% of vaccinted people taking up abot 35% . So stop peddling misinformation.

When you consider that about 10% of people who are vaccinated due to deficenies in there immune system will not have full immunity from the vaccine you really see the issues with lies peddled by anti vaxers or my body my choice types. Other countries that have not got our vaccination levels are now having to make decisions about compulsory vaccination. If you do not get vaccinated why should society tolerate people taking up massive amounts of health resources. We are taxing tabbaco products because of the health issues it creates. Maybe we should tax those that are not willing to get vaccinated at a higher rates. Maybe we should remove some of there tax credits.

If you crash a car and are in the wrong it effects your car insurance. If you are unwilling to get vaccinated and are a risk to the health service you should have to pay for that risk profile.

Why focus on

• the myriad of risk factors (age, obesity, underlying respiratory illness)
• one of the worst bed/ICU bed per population in the developed world
• waining vaccine immunity
• the opening of bars/resturants/nightclubs
• the fact that we are entering the flu season

when we could focus on the anti-vaxxers!

Danno emerges every few weeks to throw sh*t around then disappears. This time it appears that we should "f*ck the hospitals" and that the vaccines don't reduce transmission at all (R rate of 1.1 in Ireland says "Hi!") along with posting selective information and random name calling.

It'll all happen again around the first week of December based on the current schedule.