Austria hits panic button.

Fun fact from Austria, the far right party demanded within 5 minutes

"Stop all asylum seekers at the border to save our police from the unvaccinated"

"No mandatory vaccines"

I was only joking btw.

There should be no stigma of anyone.

We've established for some time now that vaccinated people spread the virus. Why curtail societal privileges for only the unvaccinated?

At least we're all in agreement that vaccine mandates are wrong despite them being introduced in Austria and in all likelihood Germany and Ireland will likely follow soon after

There will always be a minority of scroungers who won't do their bit and are happy to sit up on the backs of others' efforts.

All the while trying their best to piss down on them

Society has to call them out on it

I tried to make it simple, but essentially 100% vaccinated would let us drop COVID certs and reduce the COVID pressure on the health system by 50%.

Both options you outline are not achievable over Winter months, countries with more capable health systems are going back into restrictions and lockdown our high vax rate has mostly kept Ireland out of it so far.

The virus has an R rate of about 1.1 in Ireland, that is not wildfire, wildfire is the exponential growth that was seen last year without vaccines, now we see linear growth and the vast majority of vaccinated people aren't having severe symptoms when infected, reducing the burden on the health system. Unvaccinated are putting 12x more pressure per person on the system, hence more restrictions on them.

But this is re-treading old ground, the question was why still COVID certs, the answer is because the unvaccinated are taking up way more hospital space per head then vaccinated so we need measures to stop them getting infected.

You can argue that the current measures aren't enough but proportionately the unvaccinated will be more restricted until that 12:1 figure changes to 1:1 (or the health system pressure abates).

It would be better to have mandatory vaccines.

If making them mandatory is not possible then bundle them in with access to public health care. If you want to be on the eligible list for covid treatment then get your vaccine. Else go and do your own thing and if you catch it, deal with it yourself. No public hospital bed or public ICU bed or access to public doctors. You're either a part of the system or you aren't.

I'd say you'd have been doing some fighting for freedom alright.

More likely to be hiding in a basement typing on a message board crying about your right not to take part and sneering at the "sheeple" for making an effort. 🤣 Probably collaborating with the oppressors too.

Dole effectively isn't really taxed for most people my friend.

They'd be still availing of plenty of other services. Just not covid healthcare given that they have decided to opt out of it

Irish people don't have basements.

Could you be any more of a breakfast-roll and Sun clod, you're even synthesising your dislike of welfare recipients and people who decline to take a pharmaceutical product. Great connect-the-dots there.

Doctors and nurses have commitments to humane medicine, they aren't going to refuse medical treatment to people because some randomer hang em and flog em merchant says so.

We are redefining human beings themselves as a biological hazard based on a hypothetical risk. That is ethically fraught hence why we've been assured the certs are temporary and many people will never accept them.

As posted a few posts earlier, I'd be confident there is a fair overlap there. You can feel free to prove me wrong. Given you guys like to demand absolute proof that there are unvaccinated people in a given ICU bed at a particular point in time etc. etc. , sure I'll turn it around and ask you to prove that there isn't a strong overlap between dole scroungers and anti-vaxx scroungers.

Ah, another conspiracy theorist who thinks covid is just another flu.

And yes, those against vaccines are anti-vaxxers. I'll give you a hint - the clue is in the name.

If someone wants to be a scrounger and not do their bit and take the vaccine, then there isn't a lot that we can currently do except call them out on being a scounger.

Well I have gotten the flu vaccine every single year it has caused a pandemic and every single year the WHO and HSE and health officials stressed its importance for public health and every single year it caused lockdowns. Especially when it was highly recommended that my age group get it.

I actually even got it in some years that the above recommendations didn't happen.

You get it every year yourself I take it - yeah?

The HSE have been stressing the importance of the annual flu jab for years - and you could have easily requested it from your GP or in a pharmacy. But you didn't. So does this make you an anti-vaxxer?

I didn't get the flu vaccine, but I'm not the one throwing accusations at everyone who chooses not to get vaccinated for whatever reason

Hm, turns out you can stump the Trump after all!

Jeez, desperation tactics have set in. What years was it recommended for your age group to get it? The HSE have never changed aged-based recommendations for the seasonal vaccine, so I look forward to this answer.

Great, I appreciate the honesty. So using your own criteria, you are officially an anti-vaxxer.

I don't downplay the seriousness of the seasonal flu, so not sure why you are asking if I think it's made up.

Do you get the flu vaccine Markus?

DT seems to get it whenever recommended but it's usually not critical to get most years (they aim for about 30% coverage), is this trying to equivalence class someone with yourself? (who I'm guessing is an ardent anti-vaxxer?). The question you should ask is "If public health ran a campaign to get it and made it free to access, would you get it?" and the answer from DT would probably be yes, what is your answer?

I got it this year for example as they were recommending it for everyone. Although I had to pay for it. It is available for free to certain categories. I wouldn't have gotten it every yer for the last 20 years which appeared to have some significance. I lived for a good part of those 20 years abroad and my employer used to have a day where they would provide it for free. Nothing to do with HSE unfortunately as it was abroad. I never checked whether it gave me superpowers or tracking devices or turned me into Magneto