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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The risk of COVID will occur with every exposure to the virus, it's not a "one and done" either. The flu vaccine is rolled out yearly, SARS-COV2 vaccines will probably follow the same pattern for general population (probably aimed at getting ~50% vaxxed) and potentially more often in vulnerable groups and elderly (who will often be on recurring medicines anyway).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Part of surge planning is early discharge, looks like some of the Dublin hospitals are preparing themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Who has ever said anything about twice yearly vaccination?


    also yes everyone will catch covid in the same way everyone has caught a cold or the flu.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I fail to see how a parent would not factor in the fact that those child will be exposed to Covid and the risk of adverse outcomes is far greater with Covid, even if small compared to the risk in adults.

    And even so, myocarditis, if triggered, will occur within days of vaccination. If the child is feeling unwell more than 2 days post inoculation, contact gp and monitor and even if it does develop, which is exceedingly rare, they will be fine.

    With the virus it’s different, when triggered after exposure to the virus it could be anytime. Your child may not encounter it for 6 months, a year, or two. But they will. There will likely be the assumption it’s just a cold and after a couple of days you may think they are back to normal and there will head back doing sport maybe. Physical exertion while suffering myocarditis is the highest risk factor for significant impact from the condition. Thankfully this risk is also very low, however still much higher than with the vaccine, which will reduce both the odds of them getting it and the severity should they get it and the occurrence of a unusual immune responses triggering inflammatory conditions including myocarditis



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    FWIW I didn't hold my childrens' hands whilst they got vaccinated because none of us are scared of needles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Another day, another survey on the radio telling us how the majority want restrictions reintroduced, this time brought to you by the Department of Health. Allegedly the first time since January that people want restrictions reintroduced.

    As I said in an earlier post, a bit of context on what level of restrictions those that were surveyed wanted would be great.

    Post edited by prunudo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Market research tends not to be that detailed and the severe warnings over the last week or so have really amped up anxiety levels. One positive from that is the 60% drop in contacts, no bad thing anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Your child may not encounter it for 6 months, a year, or two. 

    Unlikely to have caught it by then.

    By the end of the decade there would be a 1 in 2 chance of having had Covid



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Show me proof of all the children in Ireland right now suffering from myocarditis post Covid infection, where are these figures? So quick to accuse me of lying and dismiss. Another poster who’s a big fan of the totalitarian path Ireland is heading down and dismisses any debate on it.

    In the last month or so Varadkar, Government and media have come out stating:

    1. There should be separate ‘police’ checking if people have Covid Certs when socialising.
    2. All of the current problems here are due to the unvaccinated - repeated ad nauseam daily by all parties. Low ICU capacity? Unvaccinated. Crap hospitals overflowing with patients - unvaccinated. Current increase in NON-COVID mortality? Unvaccinated. Despite the fact most unvaccinated are actually younger healthy people unaffected by Covid.
    3. Goes on CNN blaming 8% of an adult population for our crap health service. Where is the acknowledgement of the 92% who came forward? Or better yet their extra capacity for the health service if it’s so badly needed? They spent 40 billion keeping Ireland closed. The fact Ireland stayed closed ridiculously long for almost the full half of 2021 and wasted billions seemed to have slipped his mind also.
    4. Varadkar peddling boosters for the whole adult population early on without any scientific data to back it up. Israel? Where they’re already talking about booster no. 4? I’m not opposed to boosters for older and vulnerable. I’m most certainly opposed to forced / coerced boosters for all.
    5. Cheerleading media having segments on Claire Byrne and other shows about how to ostracise people from society - should they be allowed to buy food, should they be forced into it?
    6. Now they’re after the children and soon babies also - using tiny trials and basing all side effects on adult studies.
    7. International data from Gibraltar suggest these vaccines are not doing what Pfizer claimed - they’ve just cancelled Christmas despite 100% vaccination rate. England has no vaccine pass - they’re doing well. Sweden also. Florida has an older population and yet isn’t in trouble. I thought we were supposed to be following international best practices?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Do you really care about children or is it just another string in your anti vax anti everything mindset? Do you have children?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,439 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I imagine it is the fact that the vaccines were rolled out this year and we are already lining people up for their third jab, along with all the people talking about vaccine effectiveness waning after 6 months.

    That is probably why twice yearly vaccination can be mentioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Has the vaccine cert been rolled out to doctors offices.

    Work colleague was made stand out in the street with a sick one year old yesterday evening because he was not vaccinated.

    Is this a new thing or something?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,439 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, it would be part of your medical records and a GP would be aware of your status.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Standard practice at current infection rates where space is limited in GP offices. Anyone attending with symptoms is asked to wait outside. I'd say your colleague embellished the "unvaccinated" bit.

    Our GP put a line of chairs on the path and is doing boosters doses out there rather than bring everyone into a crammed waiting room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Point 7 regarding Gibraltar, might want to tell the chief minister of Gibraltar that he's wrong so.

    Gibraltar cancels Christmas was a headline run by tabloids and its not accurate. Seen it peddled here as well




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭fits


    It’s a novel virus and a new vaccine. There is nothing to suggest yet that it will need twice yearly jabs - just people making assumptions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭fits


    We are asked to wait in car if we have one and I’m totally happy with that. Don’t want to be picking up any bugs in packed waiting rooms. He did that even before covid for people with respiratory symptoms in flu season.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,962 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I'm surprised the GP didn't make them go for a test first. Seems to be the new entry requirement to even set foot in a surgery these days.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Yeah room for 4 in my GPs waiting room now so they ask you to wait in the car until your appointment time then come in and take a seat if they're running late.

    If I wasn't driving down then I'd probably be waiting on the street as well



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,439 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Sure, absolutely nothing to suggest it whatsoever.

    Except of course that we are right this minute giving 6 month boosters to people, but apart from that there is nothing at all to suggest it.

    Apart from the boosters and the people getting their 3rd jab in less than a year you are completely right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The pedantry is amusing Stephen

    They've cancelled any official Christmas celebration parties and advised people not to hold gatherings.

    I would struggle to see how anyone doesn't see the significance of that move in a country with a 99% vaccine uptake



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,527 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    You know what Fintan, take it up with Gibraltar, DM the man in charge if you want, I'm sure Mr Picardo will be delighted to hear your insight into his country, I'm not really bothered about Gibraltar though, but where something needs to be called out it gets called out. Call it whatever you want



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,527 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,249 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hopefully we continue to see steady increase in hospital discharges and someone in Government has the balls to take on NPHET. What our CMO done yesterday was appalling. He doesn't seem to care about the worry he puts on people with fabricated numbers. Even if the numbers he came up with were correct the way he went about putting out that tweet was unacceptable from a PR point of view. I really think daily numbers should be stopped at this point and people let get on with their lives abiding by the restrictions of the day. We really don't need someone like the CMO dictating to us anymore. He has lost us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,157 ✭✭✭Be right back


    This is the headline in the Guardian today.




  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    On the subject of Tony & his inflated hospitalisation maths.

    I take it he means out of every 1000 people who get Covid & not just the 400 of those thousand we pick up on the PCR test centres.

    Remember MM & the 40:60 split, I take it that maths comes from somewhere.

    Perhaps it's based on how many of the hospitalised actually registered a positive PCR 2 weeks previous.

    It's a theory but makes more sense of Tony's figures.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,249 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    That's not what the CMO said though. He put out a tweet knowing full well that it was alarmist. Even what you are saying makes no sense. All theory rather than solid hospitalisation figures which the CMO was referring too.



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